Covid-19 Discussion
Has the wisdom and courage to realize that the cure has now become worse than the disease. It's time to open up. Stop moving the ball.
Hospital systems have not been overwhelmed.
Ventilators are not in shortage.
Treatments are being developed.
There is no cure or vaccine. This is not going away for four years.
The devastation of the cure:
Suicide rates picking up.
Massive economic devastation which causes depression, anxiety, obesity, again increase in suicide rates and directly impacts poorer economic areas.
Alcohol sales up 51%.
Domestic Abuse on the uprise
Child abuse on the uprise.
Hospitals that do not have COVID related issues are forced to lay off doctors and nurses as there are not enough patients to economically support it, meaning they won't have the staff to deal with COVID outbreaks.
Michael Avenatti gets released from prison
We all did our part. We sheltered (here in Pennsylvania for 5 weeks already).
Open the office buildings. Open the hair saloons. Get rid of stupid mask laws.
Continue to monitor outbreaks and in areas hospital systems become threatened, reenact tougher guidelines.
LET'S GET BACK TO WORK!
And stop shaming people that want common sense solutions. Waiting for a vaccine is stupid and unpractical.
How exactly does that "contradict itself?" (hint: you should read the actual study and not hunt for the first thing you think supports your case)
Consider that you are trying to claim subject matter experts are contradicting themselves when you have read less than one full paragraph of their work and you have absolutely zero subject matter knowledge. You are wrong.
Or maybe it's crazy crap like this:
https://wchstv.com/news/nation-world/flo...
Florida man bludgeons father to death after learning he got 'the vaccine:' Investigators
by GERSHON HARRELL | WPEC
Tue, February 6th 2024
Ok, so if hadn't got the vaccine he would still be alive. Nice self-own.
Huh ?
No. I think you need to do better and offer proof that it's not the clot shots that are causing the spikes in mortality. The data is correct by the way. The correlation of timing with the vax being rolled out and mortality rising in multiple different localities and different countries is just too strong at this point. I'll leave it to Dr Pierre Kory to sum up the situation.
“At this point, a young person dying unexpectedly, to me, unfortunately, it is the vaccine until proven otherwise,&#
Why do u care so much about kids anyway ?
U know how many kids died of malnutrition every year and yet not many cares ?
But hey some die from a vaccine (unproven ) so it should be a national issue ?
In the end of the day , there is so much more important **** to care for kids health than what u focus so much upon with basically just opinionated facts but nothing tangible at all .
No. I think you need to do better and offer proof that it's not the clot shots that are causing the spikes in mortality.
Speaking of you being wrong about literally everything, mRNA covid vaccines are not associated with an increased risk of blood clots.
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-as...
"No evidence indicates that the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines are associated with the same risk of blood clots."
More specifics:
https://www.cell.com/cell-reports-medici...
"we observe that vaccination with ChAdOx1-S, but not
BNT162b2, induces an adenoviral vector-specific memory response after the first dose, which correlates
with the expression of proteins with roles in thrombosis with potential implications for thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome"
(layman's translation: the conditions for blood clots arise after adenoviral vector vaccines and not mRNA vaccines)
Also, some relevant info from that first link:
[quote="Nebraska Med"]
The COVID-19 virus can damage multiple organs, including:
• Brain
• Heart
• Lungs
This can lead to severe neurological, heart and other long-term health complications. Therefore, the benefits far outweigh the risks of receiving the COVID-19 vaccines. In fact, data consistently show that mortality rates are much lower in vaccinated and boosted individuals compared to those who have never been vaccinated or boosted.
As of the latest available data in the U.S. (October 2022), unvaccinated persons were 29 times more likely to die from COVID-19 than those who were vaccinated with an updated booster.
[/quote]
Why do u care so much about kids anyway ?
U know how many kids died of malnutrition every year and yet not many cares ?
But hey some die from a vaccine (unproven ) so it should be a national issue ?
In the end of the day , there is so much more important **** to care for kids health than what u focus so much upon with basically just opinionated facts but nothing tangible at all .
Lol.
Some kids died from a vaccine that was rammed down everyone's throats but who cares?
Lol.
Some kids died from a vaccine that was rammed down everyone's throats but who cares?
U assume they died from vaccine and was it mandatory for kids to have it to use the word rammed ?
And do u know how many vaccine kid already gets when they are a baby but hey ho no this one is a very dangerous one ?
And why wound this vaccine be more dangerous then all the other ones !
But my point is we know for a fact , and they have no choice on what they eat or don’t have enough to eat , that millions of kids die from malnutritutiin Im every damn year .
But hey if millions of kids ain’t worth shit….why focus so much for that conspiracy crap about vaccination that kills almost no one if it ever did ?
U assume they died from vaccine and was it mandatory for kids to have it to use the word rammed ?
And do u know how many vaccine kid already gets when they are a baby but hey ho no this one is a very dangerous one ?
And why wound this vaccine be more dangerous then all the other ones !
First, it isn't like all vaccines have been safe to begin with.
Second, the COVID vaccine used mRNA to basically turn your cells into spike protein producing factories. It wasn't anything like traditional vaccines which use attenuated (weakened) virus/virus particles. One of the issues with mRNA is that there isn't a way to dose it-- the cells of some people end up producing a lot and the cells of other people end up producing not as much.
First, it isn't like all vaccines have been safe to begin with.
Second, the COVID vaccine used mRNA to basically turn your cells into spike protein producing factories. It wasn't anything like traditional vaccines which use attenuated (weakened) virus/virus particles. One of the issues with mRNA is that there isn't a way to dose it-- the cells of some people end up producing a lot and the cells of other people end up producing not as much.
Yeah this isn't accurate. Dosing is not an issue with mRNA vaccines, and the immune response is much more controlled and consistent than via infection.
what does this mean? virtually every country and vaccine company has acknowledged that dosing (timing and amount) matters, both for efficacy and risk of side effects, which is why recommended scheduling has changed over time.
your stated purpose of living in this thread is to combat misinformation, but when every post of yours is a knee jerk response asserting mrna vaccines are better than candy because you can take as much as you want with no bad consequences only protection, you're just entrenching antivaxxers in their bunkers.
maybe if you spam like a dozen more patronizing MJ memes, though, they'll come around to your side.
what does this mean? virtually every country and vaccine company has acknowledged that dosing (timing and amount) matters, both for efficacy and risk of side effects, which is why recommended scheduling has changed over time.
Do you see how "dosing isn't an issue" and "dosing doesn't matter" are different statements? I said the first one, not the second one.
As for the rest of your post:
Dosing was definitely as issue , with moderna users reporting more side effects than Pfizer users (moderna had a much higher dosage).
This was the comparison for phase 3 trials
This was in April 2021
No. That's not what it being "an issue" means (in the context of the post I was responding to). Dosing is important, yes. Dosing needed adjusting after the first round, yes. But it's not an ongoing problem. It's just something that needed to be considered. Like any other medicine.
The claim was that "there's no way to dose it." Absolutely untrue.
It's like saying sizing shoes for someone is impossible because they tried on a pair that was too small. jfc
No. That's not what it being "an issue" means (in the context of the post I was responding to). Dosing is important, yes. Dosing needed adjusting after the first round, yes. But it's not an ongoing problem. It's just something that needed to be considered. Like any other medicine.
The claim was that "there's no way to dose it." Absolutely untrue.
It's like saying sizing shoes for someone is impossible because they tried on a pair that was too small. jfc
Is it your claim that everyone's cells react the same to the mRNA in the COVID gene therapy drug, and that they all produce roughly the same amounts of spike protein?
Is it your claim that everyone's cells react the same to the mRNA in the COVID gene therapy drug, and that they all produce roughly the same amounts of spike protein?
There seems to be less variance in the reaction to mRNA instruction injected through the vaccine, than in the immunitary response of vaccines using other platforms.
Remember that we did have plenty of non-mRNA vaccines available worldwide (if not in the USA) and we were able to compare data
Ok in that case can you explain how mRNA vaccines cause people's cells to react more or less equally in their production of spike protein?
How "more or less equally" did I claim spike proteins were produced by people's cells? I can't seem to recall making any claims about that.
I do recall making claims about whether or not it was possible to properly dose the vaccine. Do you know how to determine if a vaccine has been properly dosed? I'll give you a hint: you don't need to count the number of spike proteins produced.
Yeah, let's make peoples own cells produce unknown quantities of spike proteins, the most dangerous part of the virus.
What could go wrong?
Here's a look at Australia's excess mortality which didn't exist until (surprise, surprise) the uptake of Covid vaccines. It really is remarkable how we see the same pattern in so many countries. Vaccine uptake increases and excess mortality increases.
The dying of Down Under | The Spectator Australia
"By the end of 2021, somewhere between 85-95 per cent of Australians had fallen victim to the many tactics employed by our federal and state governments, to receive the ‘safe and effective’ gene-based injections.
Now, a lot of Australians are dying. People are asking, why?
To be clear, in 2020 Australia experienced below average All-Cause Mortality, despite apparently the presence of a highly infectious and deadly virus said to be circulating amongst us. In fact, deaths due to respiratory disease were 16.2 per cent lower, while influenza and pneumonia deaths were 36 per cent lower. Does that read like a pandemic to you? Covid deaths didn’t even break into our top 10 leading causes of death, and were at 832, far below the more than 3,000 suicides. So low were Covid deaths that Australia did not appear to have data to support the urgent cries from politicians, here and globally, to the effect that we all were facing imminent death from SARS-CoV-2. In truth, we faced and experienced a political theatre.
It is our opinion that this is why the Australian Senate continues to look the other way, now that it finds itself confronted by the fallout from a theatre of the absurd, the violent, and the dishonest.
In October 2023, AMPS released the investigative findings of over 30 science and medical authors into Australia’s Excess Deaths. In brief, we suspect that Australia may be suffering from an iatrogenic disaster potentially caused by the uptake of Covid vaccines."
And while I'm at it here's another interesting study on vaccination rates versus ACM. This one from 2021.
Conclusions
In the European and Israeli data, we find that COVID vaccination correlates positively with mortality 0-5 weeks from vaccination, before associating with lower mortality 6-20 weeks from vaccination. The US data allowed us to estimate a US national average VMR of 0.04% and age-stratified vaccine-induced mortality rates within 1 month post-vaccination. Significant regression terms estimate 130K-180K US deaths can be attributed to vaccination between February and August of 2021. The estimate converges with independent estimates based on the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) and suggests VAERS deaths are underreported by a factor of 20. Comparison of our age-stratified VMR and with age-stratified IFR rates suggests the risks of COVID vaccination outweighs the benefits in children, young and middle age adults, and in older age groups with low COVID risk, previous coronavirus exposure, and access to alternative prophylaxis and early treatment options. Our findings raise important questions about mass COVID vaccinations strategies that warrant further investigation and review.
