Covid-19 Discussion
Has the wisdom and courage to realize that the cure has now become worse than the disease. It's time to open up. Stop moving the ball.
Hospital systems have not been overwhelmed.
Ventilators are not in shortage.
Treatments are being developed.
There is no cure or vaccine. This is not going away for four years.
The devastation of the cure:
Suicide rates picking up.
Massive economic devastation which causes depression, anxiety, obesity, again increase in suicide rates and directly impacts poorer economic areas.
Alcohol sales up 51%.
Domestic Abuse on the uprise
Child abuse on the uprise.
Hospitals that do not have COVID related issues are forced to lay off doctors and nurses as there are not enough patients to economically support it, meaning they won't have the staff to deal with COVID outbreaks.
Michael Avenatti gets released from prison
We all did our part. We sheltered (here in Pennsylvania for 5 weeks already).
Open the office buildings. Open the hair saloons. Get rid of stupid mask laws.
Continue to monitor outbreaks and in areas hospital systems become threatened, reenact tougher guidelines.
LET'S GET BACK TO WORK!
And stop shaming people that want common sense solutions. Waiting for a vaccine is stupid and unpractical.
antivaxxers are using the same wrongly decided baseline to claim now that working age cohorts are experiencing excess deaths.
in Australia those cohorts are bigger than they were in 2015-2019, so more people 25-44 are expected to die than in 2015-2019.
I was pointing out that like lockdownistas used baselines to exaggerate the lethality on younger people, antivaxxers use the same wrongly decided baselines to claim there are now excess deaths.
the whole "using a 5 year average" baseline without adju
Sure, but the increasing demographic death trends (from an aging population) that you're outlining are rounding errors over this period compared to the reported number of excess deaths during COVID, so I'm still having trouble seeing why you believe this is significant or even material.
Sure, but the increasing demographic death trends (from an aging population) that you're outlining are rounding errors over this period compared to the reported number of excess deaths during COVID so I'm still having trouble seeing why you believe it's material or significant.
Not for "young" (working age) people no they aren't rounding errors, if you don't control for cohort size.
While the total baseline death growth is small in absolute numbers, the cohort size can shift quite dramatically even in "only" a couple of years, when you start with very skewed demographic pyramids. And there is also immigration/emigration in between.
So if the absolute number of 25-44 years old increases by 9%, and with more of them being 35+ than 7 years before, and lethality in that group is +8% in 2024 vs 2015-2019 average, you have actually negative excess deaths (compare to 2015-2019).
When you see death rates per 100k they most often did NOT reweight the cohort size every year! they keep the old weight! so they don't account for the cohort size increase.
So it's about the aging population but not only in the sense of older people dying more, also in the sense of age cohort sizes changing through time, they don't compare apples with apples if they don't reweight them.
It’s funny using such small size in numbers and time frame it’s a certainty for u to say a unknown virus like COVID was perfectly known at that time
and on the other side after many billions of injections , from something human created , with a much larger time frame some here ( not u) still maintain the vaccine might of been dangerous ….tho no strong scientific evidences (if at all ) can be found .
Today I learn millions of data samples in infections, and tens of thousands of deaths is small sample. What's next tomorrow? The earth is flat?
I am pro vaccines for everyone above 30 and everyone with weak immune systems so your entire post is moot and useless.
Your logic was wrong when your made this same assertion earlier in the thread and it remains wrong now. Pointing to early statistics in a few regions with no statistical controls and when the data was still unsettled and claiming it could be used to make sweeping public health policy decisions about a developing pandemic that don't error on the side of caution is absurd.
This applies to you after ignoring all the data presented:
Yep, it's a waste of time. They reached their conclusion on day 1 and have spent every day since walking around looking under rocks for clues and listening to kooks who echo their unsubstantiated conclusions. It's the opposite of the scientific method.
You reached your conclusion day 1 and no matter how much data is thrown in your face you will ignore it. It's the opposite of the scientific method.
It's OK Gorgo. I'll take over as captain of the thread until such time as you feel up to it again. No hurry. You need to recover from the beating you have been taking lately. I completely understand.
I've got a lot of informative content to post. So don't worry, we will manage without you.
Good riddance to everyone that is pro lockdown for under 55 and healthy.
I never want to see them post their opinions about anything ever again, in any forum, in any medium.
Keep to themselves until the last breath.
What cost are we paying today related to the lockdown still ??
Btw here a questions , do u believe without lockdown no one would of need hospital because of COVID infections ?
Do u believe the COVID virus couldn’t mutate as increase of infections explode exponentially by not doing any lockdowns ?
We printed a few trillion dollars globally and lit it on fire. If you can't figure out the side effects of that in aggregate I won't spell it out for you.
2-3 months of strained hospital capacity is totally worth instead of having to light trillions on fire by nuking your own economy.
Covid virus mutated globally regardless of lockdowns. If you locked your own country down and nuked the economy, you won't stop mutations from happening globally, which eventually end up back in your own country. Which is exactly what happened.
Not for "young" (working age) people no they aren't rounding errors, if you don't control for cohort size.
While the total baseline death growth is small in absolute numbers, the cohort size can shift quite dramatically even in "only" a couple of years, when you start with very skewed demographic pyramids. And there is also immigration/emigration in between.
So if the absolute number of 25-44 years old increases by 9%, and with more of them being 35+ than 7 years before, and lethality in that grou
But you haven't presented any data showing a material increase in baseline expected deaths for a younger cohort. Nor have you presented any data showing any significant magnitude of baseline deaths for any age cohort relative to the magnitude of excess deaths for the period spanning the COVID years.
We printed a few trillion dollars globally and lit it on fire. If you can't figure out the side effects of that in aggregate I won't spell it out for you.
2-3 months of strained hospital capacity is totally worth instead of having to light trillions on fire by nuking your own economy.
Covid virus mutated globally regardless of lockdowns. If you locked your own country down and nuked the economy, you won't stop mutations from happening globally, which eventually end up back in your own country. Whi
also educational damages to a lot of minors, we haven't fixed that
But you haven't presented any data showing a material increase in baseline expected deaths for a younger cohort. Nor have you presented any data showing any significant magnitude of baseline deaths for any age cohort relative to the magnitude of excess deaths for the period spanning the COVID years.
i was answering brian james claiming exactly that for some countries (and blaming vaccinations for that)
We printed a few trillion dollars globally and lit it on fire. If you can't figure out the side effects of that in aggregate I won't spell it out for you.
2-3 months of strained hospital capacity is totally worth instead of having to light trillions on fire by nuking your own economy.
Covid virus mutated globally regardless of lockdowns. If you locked your own country down and nuked the economy, you won't stop mutations from happening globally, which eventually end up back in your own country. Whi
The money definitely wasn't lit on fire.
The rich got quite a bit richer.
Good riddance to everyone that is pro lockdown for under 55 and healthy.
I never want to see them post their opinions about anything ever again, in any forum, in any medium.
Keep to themselves until the last breath.
Quick question for you: did I ever say I was pro-lockdown?
Or are you referring to someone else here?
We printed a few trillion dollars globally and lit it on fire. If you can't figure out the side effects of that in aggregate I won't spell it out for you.
2-3 months of strained hospital capacity is totally worth instead of having to light trillions on fire by nuking your own economy.
Covid virus mutated globally regardless of lockdowns. If you locked your own country down and nuked the economy, you won't stop mutations from happening globally, which eventually end up back in your own country. Whi
That money been spent a looonnnngggg time ago , saying today we still pay for it means what ?
U say strains only 2-3 months while I say total collapse of the healthcare system shrug.
Would have been great for those having the need for surgery and cancer treatment …I’m pretty sure they would need beds .
The lockdowns prevent the virus for mutating TOO FAST untill we have a good respond to it .
Now if u think having 2 covid virus (if not 3) at the same time is better then only 1 because u let it spread without lockdowns , well u can believe it but I’m sure having 1 problems is better then having 2-3 problems at the same time .
AND you seem disregard the fact that we might have been lucky the way it mutated.
U seem to think because it end up the way it did then it would always be like this which obviously it isn’t true .
Today I learn millions of data samples in infections, and tens of thousands of deaths is small sample. What's next tomorrow? The earth is flat?
I am pro vaccines for everyone above 30 and everyone with weak immune systems so your entire post is moot and useless.
U get that I was making a comparaison between millions of covid infection vs billions of vaccinations and people saying covid had enough data while the antivaxx still were dubious vs the vaccine ?
I’m pro vaccine in the sense I’m a not a conspiracy theorist thinking the vaccine was dangerous and the need for it to be invented so that big pharma make useless profits .
Fwiw I never was for mandatory vaccination but those that refuses should had some restrictions for it tho .
Thank you for all your posts.
Sometimes you add facts for me to understand the nuances which has been very helpful.
I have been thinking of leaving as well because the level of arguments is so bad. People cherry picking data like Brian James citing children in England having an increase of unexplained deaths when just about every country in the word has had a huge reduction of unexplained deaths in 2022 and 2023 after huge and unprecedented increases in 2020 and 2021. And then Tien citing Sweden
Cherry picking data.
You say USA had 18% of all covid deaths in 2020 with only 4% of population.
How accurate do you think the reporting is per country?
Specifically, N Korea, China, India, Brazil, Russia, etc.
OMG, unreal.
Fine but there is no arguments about the US being low or great during Covid either cause u can’t based an opinion on any data at all .
Mind as well close this thread ….
Ps: and why would they lie btw ?
Was there a competition with something to gain at the end that I miss ?
lol, for starters, closing up allowed the US economy to monopolize and strangle to death a lot of businesses that helped to keep prices and selection a bit more in check. We won't ever be able to go back to that. The effects from the current rate of inflation despite growing personal debt and loss of savings is going to be a serious problem for a long time because the demand the initiated this was a temporary stimulus jolt that isn't coming back - as opposed to typical economic growth.
Maybe all of the newfound mental health issues that people are getting hammered with in the last three years will go away but folks seem to be much more generally ****ed up than they were in recent past. And yes, the kids took a hit, as well.
You could certainly argue that it was well worth it. And maybe it was, I don't know enough about Covid to feel confident in holding a position on either side. But we are in a pretty ****ed up situation right now that folks don't fully understand, imo and there isn't anything wrong in stating that we are.
Above seems pretty depressing but working from home becoming more normal has been a pretty massive plus that came out of the lockdowns.
lol, for starters, closing up allowed the US economy to monopolize and strangle to death a lot of businesses that helped to keep prices and selection a bit more in check. We won't ever be able to go back to that. The effects from the current rate of inflation despite growing personal debt and loss of savings is going to be a serious problem for a long time because the demand the initiated this was a temporary stimulus jolt that isn't coming back - as opposed to typical economic growth.
Maybe al
The argument was the initial couple trillions in 2020 still in effect today ?
Hell no ….
What are the situation today ?
All time high stock market while at high (relative to last 20 years) interest rates .
They actually try to slow the economy .
US best economic shape in the world .
Enviable inflation rate compare to the rest of the world as a whole .
Wages has been increasing nicely
Unemployment rate almost record low
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRAT...
So what is the US still “paying “ today exactly ?
Could it be better yeah sure .
Could better actions been done , yes sure .
But to say the couple trillions printed in March / April 2020 still hurts us today and are still in effect is putting it nicely , inaccurate ….
Ps: btw Russia war surely had an impact too on high prices .
Above seems pretty depressing but working from home becoming more normal has been a pretty massive plus that came out of the lockdowns.
Pretty massive plus that is causing tremendous problems in commercial real estate, which you might consider irrelevant until you realize that means problems for banks so at some point it becomes a problem for you as well when they give your money to them to fix it.
Pretty massive plus that is causing tremendous problems in commercial real estate, which you might consider irrelevant until you realize that means problems for banks so at some point it becomes a problem for you as well when they give your money to them to fix it.
Times change. People in Detroit used to make a great living turning lug nuts all day and then robots and free trade agreements entered. AI coming in now. Cannot stop technology.
Times change. People in Detroit used to make a great living turning lug nuts all day and then robots and free trade agreements entered. AI coming in now. Cannot stop technology.
An organic trend endogenous to society preferences gives time to agents to properly deal with it; a violent mandate from above predicated on lies (lockdowns for an airborne virus) that accelerates that creates unexpected winners and losers punishing behaviour that wasn't incorrect (lending for commercial real estate, developing commercial real estate where there was demand for it) decreasing societal trust and propensity to invest which decreases gdp (ie destroys quality of life).
When in the "regulatory risks" you have to add "chances the state will go completly crazy doing stuff that has no historical precedent worldwide lying all the way to invent causal justifications for it" that's a problem for everyone.
Business is getting done without all the overpriced commercial real estate so maybe it wasn't so needed after all. Only problem is I doubt the savings companies get from downsizing their physical footprint trickles down to better prices for the consumer.
philly, detroit and, NY, and all these left wing cities are nuts.
