Covid-19 Discussion
Has the wisdom and courage to realize that the cure has now become worse than the disease. It's time to open up. Stop moving the ball.
Hospital systems have not been overwhelmed.
Ventilators are not in shortage.
Treatments are being developed.
There is no cure or vaccine. This is not going away for four years.
The devastation of the cure:
Suicide rates picking up.
Massive economic devastation which causes depression, anxiety, obesity, again increase in suicide rates and directly impacts poorer economic areas.
Alcohol sales up 51%.
Domestic Abuse on the uprise
Child abuse on the uprise.
Hospitals that do not have COVID related issues are forced to lay off doctors and nurses as there are not enough patients to economically support it, meaning they won't have the staff to deal with COVID outbreaks.
Michael Avenatti gets released from prison
We all did our part. We sheltered (here in Pennsylvania for 5 weeks already).
Open the office buildings. Open the hair saloons. Get rid of stupid mask laws.
Continue to monitor outbreaks and in areas hospital systems become threatened, reenact tougher guidelines.
LET'S GET BACK TO WORK!
And stop shaming people that want common sense solutions. Waiting for a vaccine is stupid and unpractical.
What about those big mass vaccination centres that were running (in several countries) at the height of the covid panic? You can't tell me that they made or kept good records of who was vaccinated.
What about those big mass vaccination centres that were running (in several countries) at the height of the covid panic? You can't tell me that they made or kept good records of who was vaccinated.
Brian. These studies excluded people with an unknown vaccination status. You're barking up the wrong tree. Find another straw to grasp.
But yes, those places kept records and they were sent to the person's PCP (ask me how I know).
Still irrelevant.
FYI, that does not happen in hospitals. That would be fraud. You don't just make up information about a patient. You also don't falsify it. Again, ask knew how I know. That's what I mean by it not being a good look. If you have evidence of widespread fraud in hospitals, by all means, present it. But you don't. You're hinting at it to try to cast doubt on legitimate data. Shameful.
I have no idea if that vaccination status data is correct and neither do you. There is anecdotal evidence that a lot of manipulation went on in regard to that particular data. As I showed in an earlier article I posted, people who died with unknown vaccination status were routinely designated as unvaccinated for example. And anyone inside that 14 day window after vaccination were also designated as unvaccinated.
Patients admitted into the hospital/ICU were polled on their vaccination status as part of their recorded patient health history. You have no evidence of widespread manipulation other than your desire for it to be true. The CDC actually tracked vaccination status on both a single shot and those that took both. Only those who were 14 days beyond their second dose are considered fully vaccinated, which exactly matches the protocol of the phase 3 trials for the mRNA vaccines.
FYI, that does not happen in hospitals. That would be fraud. You don't just make up information about a patient. You also don't falsify it. Again, ask knew how I know. That's what I mean by it not being a good look. If you have evidence of widespread fraud in hospitals, by all means, present it. But you don't. You're hinting at it to try to cast doubt on legitimate data. Shameful.
Really?
Well, it looks like it happened here.
Interview with former Kaiser Permanente Santa Rosa nurse Gail Macrae.
One of the reasons it was a pandemic of the unvaccinated is that Gail said that the EMR systems like EPIC were programmed to default all COVID cases to be
”unvaccinated” and nurses weren’t told how to change it. They would make notations in the chart, but the statistics the hospital reports are based on the vaccine status field, not from notes. So anyone looking at hospital statistics could reasonably conclude that this is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” This happened in Kaiser. Unclear how many EPIC clients had the same programming.
Really?
Well, it looks like it happened here.
Interview with former Kaiser Permanente Santa Rosa nurse Gail Macrae.
It may look like it happened to someone who is interviewing a single lying nurse and to you, but no. Absolutely none of that is true. Epic's system does not change vaccination status for individual covid cases at all, it is based on the person's medical history. The field is not even binary, it is a list of dates. This lady is claiming that when she checks a patient with covid in, epic would erase their vaccination HISTORY, not just uncheck a box, and that it would undo it based on one entry into the person's medical history. It's an absurd claim that doesn't even line up with how the software works nor how it is reported to state health departments or other aggregators.
Absolutely absurd.
No one's going to deny that there aren't isolated cases of someone's vaccination HISTORY being accidentally altered erased. It's a big world out there and dumb s*** happens.
But no, it's not happening intentionally nor accidentally with any frequency enough to cause a significant change to a large sampling. To suggest otherwise is just more desperate conspiracy theory denial.
I also think you just don't understand how thorough these studies are. They don't just go off of what box was ticked when the nurse checks you in.
They will go to each person's medical history and retrieve the data for each dose and use that information in various ways.
For instance, in one of the studies I linked above:
"For a given week and a pre-specified matching ratio, COVID-19 vaccine recipients of dose 1 during the week were identified and their vaccination dates were used to assign index dates to comparators who had not been vaccinated as of that date and were randomly selected according to the matching ratio. We allowed those comparators who were matched in a previous week to switch to being vaccinated upon receiving a COVID-19 vaccine. The matched “comparators” thus included both pre-vaccination person-time among COVID-19 vaccinees as well as unvaccinated person-time of individuals who did not receive any COVID-19 vaccines by June 30, 2021."
This information would not be erased by the actions of a single nurse checking boxes during a visit, even if what she claims happened was true (it's not, it's made up bulls***).
Agreed. So why again is the unvaccinated population today not suitable as a control group?
Because you can't control for some of the characteristics that are different in the unvaccinated, as we don't have baseline numbers for NPI efficacy (if any) nor behavioural determinants to contagion rates.
Example as to why sometimes observational studies can yield decent information even without a properly designed control group: the studies you and others linked about vaccination side effects.
Why? because we do know baseline incidence (given age/sex/health status) of various health problems ex-vaccine. So you can compare those to the vaccinated, if something happens to them much more than the baseline, in the weeks after inoculation, you can reasonably claim that's a side effect of the vaccine.
But we don't have numbers for how much masks work to reduce infections and/or severity of infections. If the unvaccinated (as it's clearly the case) also ditch maskes a lot more than the vaccinated, a portion of their infections / more severe infections will be because of that (if masks have any efficacy) and there is no way to know how much.
Because you can't control for some of the characteristics that are different in the unvaccinated, as we don't have baseline numbers for NPI efficacy (if any) nor behavioural determinants to contagion rates.
Example as to why sometimes observational studies can yield decent information even without a properly designed control group: the studies you and others linked about vaccination side effects.
Why? because we do know baseline incidence (given age/sex/health status) of various health problems ex
Controlling the characteristics of the unvaccinated group has the same challenges of controlling the characteristics of any group. Not sure why you keep getting hung up on this. You control it by the selection process of your cohort within the subgroup and by the design of the study (in reference to you mask efficacy comment). Yet again, with 68M in the group there is plenty of variety available to select using whatever criteria you could possibly need.
Controlling the characteristics of the unvaccinated group has the same challenges of controlling the characteristics of any group. Not sure why you keep getting hung up on this. You control it by the selection process of your cohort within the subgroup and by the design of the study (in reference to you mask efficacy comment). Yet again, with 68M in the group there is plenty of variety available to select using whatever criteria you could possibly need.
No the challenge is fairly untractable because we have no clue about baseline (ex-treatment) rates for the things we want to control for.
Moreover the outcome we want to check (protection from infection and/or severity of infection) isn't even stable in time (variants).
Notice that we have similar problems in other observational studies for other topics. Like in nutrition science. Which is why a wide range of content is produced "scientifically" about anything going from chocolate intake, to coffee, to alcohol and so on.
Keep in mind for vaccine efficacy that i am claiming it's actually possible it was even more efficacious that what the "studies" say, at least at some point in time and for some subdemographics
Brian, you are wrong about the EMR Epic... and I suspect ALL of the EMR programs.
It may look like it happened to someone who is interviewing a single lying nurse and to you, but no. Absolutely none of that is true. Epic's system does not change vaccination status for individual covid cases at all, it is based on the person's medical history. The field is not even binary, it is a list of dates. This lady is claiming that when she checks a patient with covid in, epic would erase their vaccination HISTORY, not just uncheck a box, and that it would undo it based on one entry int
A single lying nurse you say. What about another nurse who is saying the exact same thing? Watch the last hour of this video interview. And it's not just one hospital either.
There is no reason at all for these whistleblowers to be lying by the way.
There are a dozen nurses in that video all testifying about what they saw with their own eyes. They can't all be lying.
One nurse testifies that baby demises increased 90 fold in her hospital after the jabs started being given to pregnant mothers. That's horrific.
Is this doctor lying as well?
Well how the hell would we know if he's lying? He's likely just as ascribing things to the vaccine with no reason to since that would be a wild outlier of a number based on every other doctors' experience.
Why what do you think? Do you think he's telling the truth but every other doctor is lying? Do you know what Occam's Razor is?
Did you know that conditions like he described happen more often and more severely after COVID infection? You could ask him what process he used to determine if it was vaccination and not COVID or some other cause.
You could also ask him why lied and said the vaccine causes your body to produce a toxin while you're peppering him with questions. Lying to make the vaccine sound like it produces a toxin doesn't sound like someone with pure motivations would do.
Did you look over the data I provided or are you just going to pretend it doesn't exist and start throwing more s*** at the wall to see what you can make stick?
There are a dozen nurses in that video all testifying about what they saw with their own eyes. They can't all be lying.
One nurse testifies that baby demises increased 90 fold in her hospital after the jabs started being given to pregnant mothers. That's horrific.
Yes. Yes they can. And they are because it's an absolutely absurd claim. You can go right ahead and think that a nurse can tick a box and erase someone's medical history. It's cute. Really.
Watch the last hour of this video interview. And it's not just one hospital either.
There is no reason at all for these whistleblowers to be lying by the way.
No that's ok. You can swallow the lies whole if you'd like. I know it gets you off. I'll pass.
And lol at there's no reason for them to lie. You can't be serious.
It's time for another break. I've got better s*** to do for awhile.
No that's ok. You can swallow the lies whole if you'd like. I know it gets you off. I'll pass.
And lol at there's no reason for them to lie. You can't be serious.
It's time for another break. I've got better s*** to do for awhile.
So you've got no evidence that they are lying other than you think they are. Got it.
I'll take that as another L from you gorgo. Well done. Keep up the good work.
No the challenge is fairly untractable because we have no clue about baseline (ex-treatment) rates for the things we want to control for.
Moreover the outcome we want to check (protection from infection and/or severity of infection) isn't even stable in time (variants).
Notice that we have similar problems in other observational studies for other topics. Like in nutrition science. Which is why a wide range of content is produced "scientifically" about anything going from chocolate intake, to coff
Again, what you're describing is not unique to this unvaccinated group. Btw no COVID vaccine was tested for protection from infection - they only measured whether it protected from symptomatic disease. And tjhe issue of variants is a problem for all cohorts, including the vaccinated group. Again, not unique to the unvaccinated group.
Well how the hell would we know if he's lying? He's likely just as ascribing things to the vaccine with no reason to since that would be a wild outlier of a number based on every other doctors' experience.
Why what do you think? Do you think he's telling the truth but every other doctor is lying? Do you know what Occam's Razor is?
Did you know that conditions like he described happen more often and more severely after COVID infection? You could ask him what process he used to determine if it was v
Math is hard for anti-vaxxers, and even some doctors. Perform any medical intervention on 200M people over a relatively short period of time and you're going to observe all sorts of problems...heart disease, lung cancer, kidney failure, seizures, etc... that occur as a natural course of life and healthcare. Where the math fails them is that if you take the average number of events for those conditions per year, divide by 12 to range-fit for the time for two vaccine dosages and some observation time thereafter, and then see how many people have those conditions within the same month as they got the vaccine and surprise, you're going to see a lot of events...the frequency of which is no different than before the vaccine.
