Star Trek Thread: To Boldly Split Infinitives

all caught up on strange new worlds, it's definitely finding its feet with time

the doctor serves more purpose than just t&a, the pilot is no longer just a lesbian haircut but an actual person - albeit one who is still largely window dressing - uhura is no longer featured in super whiny and annoying character arcs

really beginning to enjoy it and i'm all caught up now

i still the show is run by idiots who repeatedly go about things the wrong way

they keep on introducing these game changing technologies that is over the top absurd because we know that future generations will never even mention these things before, it feels like just a series of "holdo manuevers" where they don't think through the obvious consequences of introducing that knowing full well that multiple generations will never use it even though it's literlaly the best thing ever and only reason they can survive

i really get the idea that this happens because they don't think they owe any continuation to the audience, once something serves its purpose, it is deus ex machina'd away from the doctor's daughter to yet another random event that magically solves everything

like the romulans have their entire invastion fleet present and are intent on destroying the enterprise which can't escape - kirk shows up to save the day bringing with him an entire faux armada of his own of mining drones under the pretense that since this is first contact, the romulans won't be able to tell the difference and these are advanced warships for all they know - despite that literally the first thing that ever happens in all first contacts in star trek is they scan the other ships systems and immediately know what their shields and weaponry capabilities are - the romulans do not do this just this once so the stupid plan can work - but then - here's the best part - it never mattered at all - the romulans just say yolo and decide to attack anyway even though it's now facing an entire armada - they immediately figure out it was a ruse, but the enterprise still escapes somehow because now they just decide it's more fun to shoot at unarmed drones than the only actual ship that was too slow to escape earlier but now apparently can do it

they are also creating a massive gorn problem, how is it that kirk who's fought the gorn in combat in this show is unfamiliar with them a few a years later - also, how is it that the gorn are the greatest enemy they've ever faced who relentlessly attack all settlements to eat the colonists are then never mentioned again - you just know they're going to wrap it up with some stupid "and the gorn agreed to never enter federation space again type thing

this show also really makes me appreciate the holodecks due to the flexibility they offer writers - whenever these guys want to have some kind of wacky plotline it's no longer a holodeck malfunction but now some "unexplained phenomena" and that pushes it closer to x files than star trek at times because it's just very transparent and clear they wanted to have a musical episode so they'll find the flimsiest excuse to launch it

but still, it's getting much better and definitely in the "enjoyable but with warts" category

tng>ds9>original>voyager>snw>picard

so i thought i'd dabble in enterprise

casting a long time character actor who i've seen in a million small roles in low budget things is really off putting and it makes me feel like i'm watching some cheap syndicated scifi like babylon 5 or stargate that lack the star trek gravitas (interestingly enough i've never seen a single episode of quantum leap so that's not even the part that throws me off)

but mostly, i just think he's a terrible actor

you can tell someone involved in casting loves bolt on titties

this is how we introduce our first female character

she is of course dressed like that because she's teaching a class at starfleet academy at that very moment - yes that's typical starfleet atire, not to mention real world educators also wear skimpy spaghetti tops to teach class - perhaps they just hand wave it away as casual friday

that one on it's own is not even worth mentioning, but it's relevant but with the other female the step it up to 11

in the very next scene we have another woman with basically 7 of 9's dimensions as well

but she's wearing typical space leotard uniform so it fits so whatever

so then another thing that grinds my gears is they are literally the first human ship ever to go out into the cosmos and interact with other civilizations - but they treat it like a weekend in des moines - no first contact protocol, no pomp and circumstance nor deference to being the first human ship to arrive to a new planet, they just pull in and go to the bar and have a drink and say "oh geeze these people act different than we do"

it's like it's a spaceship of mortys

and of course it wouldn't be a visit to a new planet without stopping by the strip club

and of course there's a pimp saying "you want to bang these girls, tell me which one and i'll make it happen and they are like oh geeze yeah that'd be nice but we kind of got a mission to do, but we'd really like to, maybe we'll come back after the mission"

literally a spaceship full of mortys

this is not star trek, there's nothing about it which feels like star trek

as different as picard is from the typical formula, it's still very in the star trek universe, just a cool trippy civilian life take on it all

this, no, not at all, i don't feel like anyone involved in it has ever even seen any episodes of any star treks in their life

and the vulcan, doesn't even say "sen-soar" she says sensors, that's like their vulcan thing, ears and they pronounce sensor funny - this one says it normally

and of course for reasons that serve absolutely nothing to the plot, literally nothing, they put her in a decontamination chamber without a bra

even literally panning down and zooming in on her chest

and doing intimate close up shots of her rubbing her body

for balance they have a six packed guy without a shirt doing the same

but this entire thing is just softcore porn, it's absurd

like wtf is this?

zooming in on the guy rubbing the small of her back

like seriously, wtf is this show?

it goes on for 3.5 minutes

three and a half minutes of airtime are given to that, something which serves absolutely no purpose at all for the plot

surely some people have watched enterprise, does it ever get good or even star trek adjacent? i can't imagine enduring more than the 2 part pilot i watched, which was terrible

Rich Evans on RLM made this same point about Seven of Nine. He basically said that when they introduced her, it was the first time he felt the producers were looking down and snigering at the audience. Like, yeah, you're all just young male nerds who can't get laid, here's something for you to wank over.

yeah 7 was a bit over the top in her proportions and the special skin tight uniform they gave her in order to emphasize them

however, i feel like it worked because

a - she was a good character who just happened to be unbelievably sexy
b - they kind of explained how she needed to wear a special outfit due to removal of borg implants
c - it was just her, which lent it more credibility of plausible deniability of "she just happened to look like that"

whereas on this show it's literally every female character - making it very clear to us that women on this show serve one purpose, to be ogled - granted, that was also very much a thing on the original series - but i thought they achieved that rather tastefully where if you meet an alien it's just gong to happen to be an attractive female with green skin wearing an outfit that gives the hint it could fall off at any moment - there was no, hey we're just going to zoom in on her nipples for 3 minutes

is enterprise worth sticking with? does it ever become star trek?

I never made it past perhaps the 5th episode. And I watched the Borg one out of curiosity.

I agree the concept behind seven was a good one, the execution behind it was mostly good and Jeri Ryan played the character well. They just didn't need to show her tits and ass off to the extent they did.

As far as problems with that show goes, I would rank her tits and ass being on screen too much at somewhere around problem 70 of 90.

so the show is not worth pursuing? not going to lie, i could barely watch the pilot and that's a terrible sign

I watched all of Enterprise but that says more about me than the show.

I would say that the show actually gets worse as it goes on. They drop the star trek formula of having (mostly) contained episodes and instead go for attempts at epic storylines. Imo this led to a very non star trek format in the star trek universe, and it did not work.

DS9 did this to a limited extent, but was way more successful with it. This was largely due to the self contained episodes having set up fantastic world building, but enterprise never gets there.

I recommend passing on it.

thanks, actually very relieved to hear i can skip it, perhaps I've already seen the only "good scene" with dem nips

guess it's time to crack open picard s3 after bailing midway through s2

does the vulcan ever start calling them sensoars?

been wondering about that a lot, if it's just something they goofed on and fixed later or they intentionally wanted to go in the new direction for unknown reasons

I relied on IMDB ratings to try and only watch the better Enterprise episodes, and it was still awful. Worst Trek ever.

recently noticed there was another star trek called discovery

2 episodes in, does not appear to be a winner but does appear to be passable

don't like the klingons portrayed as whiny woke debaters though

ST: D is generally awful, but to be fair I did give it longer before bailing than I did Enterprise.

The RLM reviews are the best thing to come out of it, and probably the main reason i kept watching as long as I did.

I gave up midway through the 2nd.

1. Hated the reimagined Klingons (ldo 😉)
2. Too many soliloquies
3. Too much special effects

OTOH

2. Saru was an interesting character
3. Best parts involved Michelle Yeoh's character.

I finally am slowly going thru Picard Season 3... I lost it when Data was revealed.

Do I need to suffer through s2 of Picard to watch s3? (I quit midway through e3)

lol this has been asked a lot, s3 pretends s2 never happened

others told me i was fine to skip and i did, i'm a few episodes into s3 and i don't feel like i've missed anything by not watching last few eps of s2

i wish i were smart enough to drop s2 as early as you did

been watching more of discovery

it's not good, but it's not infuriating like enterprise, parts of strange new worlds (which is improving and growing on me), so i'll continue putting it on in the background while i run sports simulations whereas something like picard or strange new worlds i'll actually watch with dedication

doesn't feel like star trek but not in an annoying way, more like a typical low budget straight to syndication scifi that i can put on in the background and happily leave the room for 10 minutes and not care to pause it

do not like the klingons who are suffering from pms 24/7 and all love reciting poetry in debates and see no need to look at the screen to see whatever it is they are whining about in the subtitles this time

No

I didn't watch season 1/2 either... and I have no intention of doing so.

season 1 is dumb but passable and has some interesting moments

there is at least one thing about picard which is referenced a bunch in what i've seen in s3 that happened in s1 which isn't important to the plot but will perhaps explain why

but it should be noted that when i recently began watching s3 that i accidentally clicked s1 and it took about 15 minutes before i realized this is something i'd seen before so s1 is clearly skippable

Sea3 finished... slightly weak and formulaic end, but it was good to see them put in the effort and it was entertaining to watch.

I THINK, that data needs his own show...

realized i dropped picard s3 and figured i'd pick it up again where i left off at episode 5 and some strange weird thing started happening, i began to actually care about the plot

is it becoming watchable? let's find out

Better than s1 and obviously much better than s2 which I found unwatchable.

Not plot spoilers, but