Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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Victor continues to seem super normal.
genocide is quite repetitive. and it repetitively pisses me off. and people like you who justify it and support it piss me off too. so you could elect not to argue in favor of the policies and entities committing mass murder of Gazans. you could do that. you wont bc as your infamous post made clear, you support this stuff too.
No, I have never said I support a single thing that Israel has done. Feel free to do a thorough search though.
I suppose what you think was "infamous" was when I said I wouldn't shed a tear if every resident of Gaza died. That doesn't imply I support anything that Israel is doing. To be honest, I have never shed a tear about the death of anyone, and I can't imagine doing it about anyone I didn't know very well.
what did I recommend?
I simply pointed out to PW evidence of why the UN cannot distribute food by hand in Gaza.
True, recommended wasn't the greatest wording of what I meant. But I was referring to your apparent desire for the US to support the UN security council recommendation of a cease fire. That is what would make no difference.
unarmed yanks in the middle of gaza
what could possibly go wrong
I'm trying to picture how exactly it goes down. "Ah ha! We did a jump and landed behind you, now open up the road!"
How that's different from just walking down the road from the front and asking is beyond me.
No, I have never said I support a single thing that Israel has done. Feel free to do a thorough search though.
I suppose what you think was "infamous" was when I said I wouldn't shed a tear if every resident of Gaza died. That doesn't imply I support anything that Israel is doing. To be honest, I have never shed a tear about the death of anyone, and I can't imagine doing it about anyone I didn't know very well.
Victor sheds tears daily that the Jews have a way to prevent the Holocaust 2.0.
I'm trying to picture how exactly it goes down. "Ah ha! We did a jump and landed behind you, now open up the road!"
How that's different from just walking down the road from the front and asking is beyond me.
No need to jump. Can walk in from Egyptian side.
Why would anyone ask Israel? We don’t need their permission to help people.
Unless it feels its own security is threatened, why would Egypt demand anything of Israel? The Palestinians willingly chose to be governed by a Iranian proxy terrorist group, which is actually an offshoot of an Egyptian terrorist group which has caused major problems for Egypt.
Egypt wants nothing to do with the Palestinians now. Egypt, like most Muslim states, have to performatively issue the correct rhetoric to appease their antisemitic population, but other than that the only demand Egypt would make of Israel is to not put them in a position where they have to let Palestinians in Egypt.
You just said no one would even need to ask Israel. If they're blocking the border with Egypt that isn't true.
Nobody in the US needs to ask Israel anything. We cut their defense funding or they let us in. The choice is there’s. Unfortunately Israel owns the US via lobbyists so this will never happen
Nobody in the US needs to ask Israel anything. We cut their defense funding or they let us in. The choice is there’s. Unfortunately Israel owns the US via lobbyists so this will never happen
First off, most of that money goes to US contractors, who have their own very strong lobbies. So there would be domestic political issues on that front if that money is cut. Also, as you imply most of the money goes towards defense. Since the Yom Kippur War the US has been essentially bribing Israel to just play defense. Without that money, it is more likely Israel just decides to go on the offense. Which might actually be a better thing in the long run for the Palestinians.
Here comes a big regional shift for two regions. I guess I could have posted this in the Ukraine thread also. Most of you read both.
https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-r...
Israel's permanent representative to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, said the Middle Eastern country was "working to provide Ukraine with early warning systems" in a speech on Wednesday.
It's not often you can point to the exact moment where I massive shift like this happens, but this is it for this one. The last of the Israeli - Russian "understanding" is over.
It'll start with early detection tech for Ukraine. We'll see if that's a path to iron dome. Maybe. Regionally that'll cause a lot of change in the middle east too now.
Nobody in the US needs to ask Israel anything. We cut their defense funding or they let us in. The choice is there’s. Unfortunately Israel owns the US via lobbyists so this will never happen
If that's true, then the US could just go in through Israel, why would they need to bother with Egypt like you suggested? You're contradicting yourself.
I could see a lot of political reasons having American troops in Gaza in the middle of this war would be a bad idea. At some point there would invariably be some sort of conflict and Palestinians and/or American troops would be killed, and there would be some major political repercussions.
First off, most of that money goes to US contractors, who have their own very strong lobbies. So there would be domestic political issues on that front if that money is cut. Also, as you imply most of the money goes towards defense. Since the Yom Kippur War the US has been essentially bribing Israel to just play defense. Without that money, it is more likely Israel just decides to go on the offense. Which might actually be a better thing in the long run for the Palestinians.
The money goes towards bribing/pressuring US politicians
“Levin was ousted from his House seat in 2022, after the American Israel Public Affairs Committee spent $4 million against him. Levin was one of a handful of Democrats targeted by AIPAC last cycle, when the group went after a range of progressive candidates in mostly open House primaries over their criticism of Israel.”
