Tom Dwan - the missing man
How convenient is it that he just falls off the face of the earth after issuing and bailing half way through a 50k hand challenge when he goes down over a million dollars?
He come out a year or so ago and said that he has this "big" problem with FTP that he would address once he had a decent nights sleep, what ever happened here?
He agreed to pay penalties on a monthly basis for not playing an agreed amount of hands with jungle, did cates ever receive any of the penalty money? I think it's about time the community got some answers. There was a lot of money placed on the outcome of the match which never got resolved, as you can imagine anyone who took jungle's side must be pretty aggrieved.
Ike and Justin bonomo was both judges along with Ivey being escrow, from what I remember Ivey wanted nothing to do with any of the decision making after dwan went AWOL which lead to phil sending jungle his 500k back. What's the point of having judges in any bet if they can't actually enforce any rulings?
If anyone else had bailed on a bet of this size when he should have escrowed the 1.5million it would be a much bigger deal.
To add to that he's listed to play in the 500k super high roller at the aria
Because the books would not take his action because he is a winning player. The books normally just want to suck money from losers and their families. It’s sort of like the way it works. Thank god people like you are willing to defend them!
Seriously. After reading the last couple hundred posts plus I somehow found myself in that Ivey thread from back in the day it's a good reminder of how immoral people are. It confirms exactly what I've thought about poker for a long time, that when there is money up for grabs- people will throw their morals right out the window. I'm speaking about the public at large here and not particular players. However, there is no honor among strangers when there is money to win. It's disgusting how people rationalize theirs or others behavior to make them feel better about things they have either done in the past or are currently doing.
I love poker, but those who said ESPN and others washed it clean (or at least attempted to) and let scumbags be perceived as good dudes (I,e, Chino et al) were pretty spot on. With that said, on a personal level innocent until proven guilty. But I don't blame others for being suspect of certain people-especially in the online world.
Because the books would not take his action because he is a winning player. The books normally just want to suck money from losers and their families. It’s sort of like the way it works. Thank god people like you are willing to defend them!
exactly, if Bob wants to circumvent a stupid rule preventing him from betting then fine with me. But I say that with the expectation the casino can use algorithms to offset these sharps with different lines. They are smarter than anyone else, have the most money, the best tools. Sometimes you're gonna lose, get over it. Not like you're still making hundreds of millions per property.
exactly, if Bob wants to circumvent a stupid rule preventing him from betting then fine with me. But I say that with the expectation the casino can use algorithms to offset these sharps with different lines. They are smarter than anyone else, have the most money, the best tools. Sometimes you're gonna lose, get over it. Not like you're still making hundreds of millions per property.
In a vacuum, the casinos could give you (the expert bettor) the actual modeled line and expect to win via the juice. This won't work though because the other books still exist and you would be able to use arb to make guaranteed $ if you could get enough money down. Winners based off models are a problem for the books, but actual experts in sports are a huge problem for them, so they just ban them. There is no outsmarting someone who knows what is going to happen as long as the public does not, and the public does not have the time nor the interest in becoming experts in the sports they're betting.
Robl 'needed' JRB to get games up and running so he could sit down and fleece them. That was part of the reason that Robl staked JRB for years. Not sure why they broke up, but IMO it's partially due to JRB having kids now and cutting back on his schedule .. but who knows. JRB has Rick Salomon now.
I'm still of the opinion that Dwan was considering folding to Doug Polk in the Hustler hand because he didn't have anymore chips to play with behind. I could be wrong of course, but just his body la
Aren't they still playing in games to this day? Seems like they are on highstakes poker together every season? Who said they broke up?
I personally found it amusing the time Doug Polk claimed that Ben86 was a psychopath. Because idk, Ben86 flipped out a little at Doug for looking like a bully, or something. That's Dougs side of the story as well. Then Doug later doubled down on that ridic take. Really, call someone a psychopath? Ben86 seems pretty normal, and everyone flips out at least a few times in their life.
Then he repeatedly said in subsequent podcasts that people double down too much these days and arn't inclined to admi
Doug calling out Ben Tollerene was the point I stopped enjoying his content and realised how much a dick he was for all of his drama videos.
I agree that Dnegs needed calling out for his part of the rake situation with Pokerstars, but I think Doug took it way to far with the billboards and constant harassment. If he really cared that much he should have gone after PS themselves more rather than trying to bully Dnegs out of his sponsorship.
The thing I find most hilarious is that he spent several years calling out crypto influencers and establishing himself as an authority in crypto, to then becoming the face of a crypto scam giving them hours of interviews, adverts and hosting them in poker games.
What is going on here with the Dwan and Ben defense? Ben86 disappeared from 2p2 because it came out he is a weirdo, who isn’t necessarily a scammer but will happily screw people over. He backed out on that coaching swap with Polk and didn’t offer compensation. He backed out of paying Berri Sweet in that weird crossbook dispute and then Ben got his friend Ike to arbitrate without disclosing he already discussed the situation with him, then Ike had to remove himself from the arbitration because he admitted he was not impartial.
Then you have those two bizarre freakouts, one with Doug and the other because Ben rode a horse side saddle with some group of randos.
Dwan is a degenerate who bragged on twitter years ago he liked to play baccarat after losing sessions to try and get even, people still see him in the Aria pit all the time.
Dwan double crosses his friend (who also might have been a scammer) to be Haralabob’s beard in a dream spot but instead of just betting the sharp picks for free money he bets the pro bowl and the NBA all star game on whims. I don’t even want to know how he owes TrueTeller 1.5 million or how much makeup he was probably in at the time of the HCL million dollar game.
C’mon guys, you can like public figures that have had great success like Dwan, Brett Favre, Jon Jones but you can’t defend their actions, they are all pure scum. Not putting Ben in that category but the defense of him still looks bad.
What is going on here with the Dwan and Ben defense? Ben86 disappeared from 2p2 because it came out he is a weirdo, who isn’t necessarily a scammer but will happily screw people over. He backed out on that coaching swap with Polk and didn’t offer compensation. He backed out of paying Berri Sweet in that weird crossbook dispute and then Ben got his friend Ike to arbitrate without disclosing he already discussed the situation with him, then Ike had to remove himself from the arbitration because he
I don't know how you took Ben to be the weirdo in that situation but fair enough. From having a quick glance at the thread, Doug made $70k after giving him 4 coaching sessions, so it's not like he got no compensation, he also said he would have to get consent from his partner before giving away his PLO strats.
IMO that side saddle horse thing was made up by Doug/his gang to bully Ben, and from what I remember there was no actual proof of any of it, just a meme likely made up to add to the fire.
'Then we go out drinking one night, it's late and we're wasted. Doug starts giving his #1 in the world speech and I tell him I don't agree, his sample is too small, etc. We argue for a while and he eventually breaks down and get's really upset. We talk it out until about 5AM in his room, hug each other, and we're cool. I wake up the next morning to an essay on Skype about why we cannot be friends anymore.'
Ben saying this clearly pushed Doug over the edge as he uploaded a 30 min video calling Ben his enemy, a psychopath and how he hates people like him.
The whole thing should have just been kept personal, but it's just another example of Doug using his platform to blast people he doesn't like - Charlie Carrel, Matt Berkey, JNandez, Jason Mercier, Luke Schwartz etc.
The Berri thing is obvious unjust and a mess I agree with that.
My man is enjoying Jeju 😀
I know it's a derail but anyone got a link to info onthe Berri-Ben dispute? Not heard about that before!
In Berkeys most recent cooking segment he said Dwan was just hired by ACR.
Seriously. After reading the last couple hundred posts plus I somehow found myself in that Ivey thread from back in the day it's a good reminder of how immoral people are. It confirms exactly what I've thought about poker for a long time, that when there is money up for grabs- people will throw their morals right out the window. I'm speaking about the public at large here and not particular players. However, there is no honor among strangers when there is money to win. It's disgusting how people
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I personally found it amusing the time Doug Polk claimed that Ben86 was a psychopath. Because idk, Ben86 flipped out a little at Doug for looking like a bully, or something. That's Dougs side of the story as well. Then Doug later doubled down on that ridic take. Really, call someone a psychopath? Ben86 seems pretty normal, and everyone flips out at least a few times in their life.
Then he repeatedly said in subsequent podcasts that people double down too much these days and arn't inclined to admi
Don't think I can agree with this.
If he left it at calling it out then that would be fine, but he went extremely far with it, putting billboards up etc. to the point where it was disproportionate and probably bullying.
Tom clapping back
When I saw Bob on HCL he was a decent player, 20% douchey.
When I see Tom he's brilliant, entertaining when he actually does talk, 40% zombie meat slab vampire catboy.
What is my point? I don't have one, but I think these guys are abandoning best practices for collecting gambling debts and it's either due to frustration or wanting attention. Either way, if they really wanted the money they wouldn't have made a podcast about Dwan.
When I saw Bob on HCL he was a decent player, 20% douchey.
When I see Tom he's brilliant, entertaining when he actually does talk, 40% zombie meat slab vampire catboy.
What is my point? I don't have one, but I think these guys are abandoning best practices for collecting gambling debts and it's either due to frustration or wanting attention. Either way, if they really wanted the money they wouldn't have made a podcast about Dwan.
I think the consistent theme here is that years have been spent trying to chase down the debts following etiquette to no avail.
Similar to the me too movement, once one person shares their story, others realise that they aren't the only ones getting screwed by this person and speak up.
Wtf is Tom even saying there, doesn't make much sense to me?
Is he insinuating Bob has lied and put him in legal jeopardy, therefore he shouldnt need to pay him back?
What I understood from Dwan’s reply is that this is textbook scammer 101 stuff:
Turn the attention to the victim and completely neglect everything he said, he might start to argue you about these claims instead.
Also make sure to sound like a professor of quantum mechanics in Harvard while explaining why stealing money is a good thing.
Wtf is Tom even saying there, doesn't make much sense to me?
Is he insinuating Bob has lied and put him in legal jeopardy, therefore he shouldnt need to pay him back?
He's saying that Bob bet on the NBA while under contract working with the NBA. This is one of the only infractions in professional sports that they actually seem to take seriously. You can't bet on sports when you're involved in a league as a professional because of the optics and because you have access to private information. I don't think an NFL player can bet on the NBA or anything like that either so it isn't just NBA can't bet NBA, it's professional sports employees can't bet on sports.
Threatening to Blackmail someone you've owed money for years is scumbag101, expected better of Tom
He's saying that Bob bet on the NBA while under contract working with the NBA. This is one of the only infractions in professional sports that they actually seem to take seriously. You can't bet on sports when you're involved in a league as a professional because of the optics and because you have access to private information. I don't think an NFL player can bet on the NBA or anything like that either so it isn't just NBA can't bet NBA, it's professional sports employees can't bet on sports.
its something the league takes seriously and its against league policy but Tom acting like he was in legal jeopardy is a huge stretch. if they got caught the only person who would face consequences would be Bob, and he would have just been fired, not prosecuted or anything of that nature.
