Was I just angled?
First post, but been playing poker 20 years, never had something like this happen.
This is 1/3 NL Holdem, I'm about $700 deep to start the hand. I'm about 1.3 stuck and getting some bad luck but in ok spirits overall. I have 1 headphone in and listening to music while we play.
Situation, Hero is under the gun with QQ.
I start by raising to $40
Villain 2 in cutoff calls $40
Main Villain 1 on the button is a grinder/pro and raises to $125
Hero calls $125
Villain 1 folds.
Flop is 3h 3s KD.
Hero Checks
Villain bets by slapping down $25 chip across the betting line
Hero Check Raises to $125
Villain 1 slaps the call with 4 more chips 125
Turn is 8s
Hero Checks
Villain Bets, slapping down 3 $25 chips for $75 past the betting line
Hero Calls
Here is where it gets weird.
River is 10s
Hero Checks
Villain 1 (who has about $2k plus behind) verbally says all in then slaps down 4 $25 chips across the line as done previously for what I thought was $100 bet.
While dealer is grabbing the all-in button, Hero, who has 1 headphone in and did not hear the verbal bet, grabs 4 $25 chips and tosses in a quick call.
Villain 1 turns over AA and I muck my hand.
Floor is called after I'm told it was an all-in and the Villain does not budge that he should get the remaining $400ish I have left behind.
Floor gets the explaination, reviews footage and while the all-in button wasn't out yet and my action was very clear, it does not matter and I'm forced relinquish the remaining $400+ I had left behind.
Thoughts on this? Per the floor it is a game of attention and I did not protect myself and they could not protect me in this situation.
Clearly good lesson on ditching headphones and paying attention.
But more interesting, is I get that his flop bet is small, but why are we raising? What worse calls, what better folds?
Flop bet was small and wanted to define the strength of his hand. I should have made it more like 150/175 to be absolutely certain when he called that I was done. I didn’t follow my own plan, and my checks led to me calling off on both what I thought were small turn and river bets
The ol "find out where I'm at"...did you find out?
This is Texas and the game always plays bigger, more like 2/5 5/5. 25/30 is very standard raise
That's not how math works.
Also FYI "Game plays more like 2/5" is roughly the opposite of what you mean, which is more like "Everyone spew raises 13x and nobody 3bets"
Learn how to play multiway pots, this is not online (although I'm sure any online grinders will love 13x opens).
not an angle, you should have been forced to call for all of it, you chose to listen to music where you can't hear what people say and didn't confirm the action
that's on you
no pros at 1/2 either
This specific type of situation will depend upon everyone's personal definition of angling. Some would consider this an angle. Others will say that paying attention is part of the game.
You'd get the same answers if you asked people if Ivey angled people all those times he's moving his hands and chips around the line before making a decision while watching the other player. Some will say it's an angle, others will say it's part of the game.
One could easily argue that poker is in general a game of deception, and that him noticing that player such as yourself tend to make similar mistakes when they have headphones in.....he's just doing what it takes to win the most money, within the confines of the rules.
One could also easily argue that once you decide to put on a device such as headphones that dull some of your situational awareness, that you're now asking the table/players/staff to work around you instead of you being responsible for knowing what's going on.
Personally, I wouldn't put a ton of effort into thinking about it being an angle or not. It's far too inside the rules to matter. Learn from it and keep going.
The bigger lesson is there's no need to be punting like this at soft Texas games. Or most any game for that matter.
not an angle, you should have been forced to call for all of it, you chose to listen to music where you can't hear what people say and didn't confirm the action
that's on you
No pros at 1/2 either
Thank you! One can make more working at InNOut or 7-11 than a 1/3 crusher. Can we also stop referring to villains as whales in 1/2 and 1/3 games, too? Outside of rare home games, this just isn't a thing.
Thank you! One can make more working at InNOut or 7-11 than a 1/3 crusher. Can we also stop referring to villains as whales in 1/2 and 1/3 games, too? Outside of rare home games, this just isn't a thing.
If you are playing in a capped game like Vegas, sure.
If you're playing in Texas 1/3 games, you have absolutely no clue what you're saying. There are clubs all around the state where it's very common to have $15k or more on the table at all times. I regularly buy in or top off to $3k or more to match stacks.
If you see "Texas" in front of any game description, unless they specify a low cap, just treat it like 5/10 as far as earning potential. Sometimes better. Until you've experienced it, it's hard to believe.
Take a gander at The Lodge Live Stream and see how quickly their games as small as 5/10/10 balloon to $10k stacks. 1/3 all over the state does the exact same thing, just on a lower scale. That's not just specific to streamed games. It's nuts down here.
Mute your music when you enter a hand.
Not an angle at all imo.
If you are playing in a capped game like Vegas, sure.
If you're playing in Texas 1/3 games, you have absolutely no clue what you're saying. There are clubs all around the state where it's very common to have $15k or more on the table at all times. I regularly buy in or top off to $3k or more to match stacks.
If you see "Texas" in front of any game description, unless they specify a low cap, just treat it like 5/10 as far as earning potential. Sometimes better. Until you've experienced it, it's h
it's pretty much like this at most places
I stand by my statement, no pros at 1-2
An angle is not necessarily something that is against the rules. It is usually something within the rules the rules, but confuses a player into making a play they wouldn't make by making it seem like the angling player did something they didn't do. If villain tried to get OP to call by making him think he was not all in, then it is an angle. Is OP still responsible for identifying angles and clarifying the bet size as all in? Yes.
I think it naive to assume the villain was not trying to make it seem like he didn't go all in. At the same time, it is overconfident to say that he for sure was trying to make it seem like he made a smaller bet. No one will be able to prove this either way.
Also yes, the preflop sizing is really bad. You should use one preflop sizing for all hands. Your bet size preflop should never give away the strength of your hand. The flop raise is also very bad.
Some people have an unusual definition of "pro". It has nothing to do with one's skills, hourly rate, or the pay rate in a fast food restaurant. If someone pays at least most of their bills with poker winnings, they are a pro.
Some people have an unusual definition of "pro". It has nothing to do with one's skills, hourly rate, or the pay rate in a fast food restaurant. If someone pays at least most of their bills with poker winnings, they are a pro.
to me it has never really been about the money , it's about not having to put in more than 25 hours a week at something I want to do and not have a boss over my head or a scheduled job.
it's coming to an end soon for me but I had a nice run so I can't really complain.
Doesn't sound like an angle to me. I rarely push all my chips in when I jam. I just verbally declare all in and push out some random stack of chips, usually just whatever is in front of my total stack.
I don't put too much thought into my technique or my opponents' technique for putting chips in. I make a habit of clarifying the bet size before I act.
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congrats, starting pay at mcdonald's is $18 an hour
also, lol at 25bb/hour over a long term sample
What's even more funny is that at least McDonald's will give them health insurance and a 401k. $18/hr as a 1099 is a joke. If someone is a "pro" 1/3 player, at least you don't have to worry about them being smart.
Doesn't sound like an angle to me. I rarely push all my chips in when I jam. I just verbally declare all in and push out some random stack of chips, usually just whatever is in front of my total stack.
I don't put too much thought into my technique or my opponents' technique for putting chips in. I make a habit of clarifying the bet size before I act.
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Stop doing this, there is no reason for it and it is only likely to cause problems.
