Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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maybe someone is impersonating this Mark Pearlmutter guy
https://labourhub.org.uk/2024/04/04/no-a...
who knows? hes proly KKKHHHamas anyway.
I think people think people care. In reality most realists don't care about a random 100k people unless it threatens the survival of the human race which it doesn't. Mostly I am saying this doesn't matter in the ****ing slightest in the year 2124 and anyone who doesn't see that isn't thinking about the human race in the year 2200
Israel is killing so many people every day, victor has to publish bad pallywood photo ops about purported killings days ago, and about Obama lol.
When "the hard way" translates to dead troops it becomes incredibly difficult to justify. No one leading the attack against Hamas in the hospitals would willingly up the casualty rates of their own troops. I'm guessing you'd have to go pretty high up the chain to command to actually reach someone who is willing to begin ordering that the military intentionally handicap themselv
If you can't take the place without turning it to rubble then stay out. Let it be the Hamas Alamo if you have to. Not leveling hospitals is not going to tip the war against your favor.
I think people think people care. In reality most realists don't care about a random 100k people unless it threatens the survival of the human race which it doesn't. Mostly I am saying this doesn't matter in the ****ing slightest in the year 2124 and anyone who doesn't see that isn't thinking about the human race in the year 2200
I dunno if most people dont care. and if they dont then whatever. but its the people who support this **** that piss me off.
Israel is killing so many people every day, victor has to publish bad pallywood photo ops about purported killings days ago, and about Obama lol.
I could post pictures of dead babies all day but I dont really have the time. I just found it interesting that Palestinians knew what a butcher the liberals were decades ago.
ironically, Israel cant post pictures of dead babies bc Hamas didnt kill any.
If you can't take the place without turning it to rubble then stay out. Let it be the Hamas Alamo if you have to. Not leveling hospitals is not going to tip the war against your favor.
Im real curious why you take it on its face that Hamas was using the hospital as an Alamo type thing.
I know why BGP thinks that, but why do you?
[QUOTE=Victor;58526078]I dunno if most people dont care. and if they dont then whatever. but its the people who support this **** that piss me off.
That is very much fair because at the moment one thing is clear Israel is perfectly happy with 1 bad guy per 10 good guys kill ratio while the USA would use a ninja missile that can kill a dude in the back seat while leaving the driver alive.
For the record I have gone from **** around and find out to good god you suck at taking any sort of proportional revenge
I am also not sure why we just gave them another 500 or so 2k pound bombs
If you can't take the place without turning it to rubble then stay out. Let it be the Hamas Alamo if you have to. Not leveling hospitals is not going to tip the war against your favor.
I agree. I think the tunnel system makes this extremely difficult, but there's got to be ways around it.
Im real curious why you take it on its face that Hamas was using the hospital as an Alamo type thing.
I know why BGP thinks that, but why do you?
Why do I think this?
Im real curious why you take it on its face that Hamas was using the hospital as an Alamo type thing.
I know why BGP thinks that, but why do you?
I don't care if it's true or not, it's a red line to level the place. There is no justifying because the bad guys are in there until it's literally one of last buildings standing (maybe not the best example).
I agree. I think the tunnel system makes this extremely difficult, but there's got to be ways around it.
How many different tunnels can there be? Take control of the surrounding tunnels and concrete them
closed or something.
Looks like sinwar did what he could to keep oct 7th as secret as possible and while iran and hez apprarently new of a potential attack, they didnt know of thr exact workings of this particular one. Id imagine that his chicken hawks would have talked him out of this particular choices but since hes such a raging disaster, he didnt care apparently.
Hopefully they fire him.
Now sinwar apparently being distraught by israels response when iran probably new better is quite yhe degeneracy of decision making.
I dunno if most people dont care. and if they dont then whatever. but its the people who support this **** that piss me off.
I could post pictures of dead babies all day but I dont really have the time. I just found it interesting that Palestinians knew what a butcher the liberals were decades ago.
ironically, Israel cant post pictures of dead babies bc Hamas didnt kill any.
Have any pics of sniped children? I've read the eye witness reports like the LA Times article but sorry, I still can't believe soldiers are putting children in their crosshairs and executing them. Call me naive. Please post pics/evidence. Would be neat hearing the argument why it's justified.
How many different tunnels can there be? Take control of the surrounding tunnels and concrete them
closed or something.
I have no idea. It must be pretty difficult to do though, especially when the surrounding buildings can be used to attack anyone doing this. I agree the hospitals should not have been destroyed though.
Looks like sinwar did what he could to keep oct 7th as secret as possible and while iran and hez apprarently new of a potential attack, they didnt know of thr exact workings of this particular one. Id imagine that his chicken hawks would have talked him out of this particular choices but since hes such a raging disaster, he didnt care apparently. Hopefully they fire him.Now s
I think this is Iran's preferred policy. They do not want to have direct knowledge of what their proxies are doing.
I think this is Iran's preferred policy. They do not want to have direct knowledge of what their proxies are doing.
Because if they're asked to testify they can maintain plausible deniability or why?
Iran seems to have some level of control over Hezbollah and militias in Iraq and Syria, but some of their "proxies" such as Hamas or the Houthis I dont think they coordinate with or have any control over at all. They just have common ideologies (extreme Islamism) and enemies.
Iran did not want the Houthis to conquer Sanaa and put that whole region in famine (which the Houthis did anyways); and I suspect they didn't know about October 7th, and wouldn't have condoned it if they did know.
An easily predictable answer. The Genocide supports don’t believe in objective morality.
What's that? Turn the other cheek? It's inconceivable.
In b4 some noise on proportionality in war. Conceive of war. I know the new and improved term 'genocide' really packs the sugar for broke-brains.
vic in here telling us that the IDF have been driven out of that hospital by hamas, and also that hamas arent in the hospital
lol
It's truly spectacular to behold. And his insistence that we're all brainwashed
Have any pics of sniped children? I've read the eye witness reports like the LA Times article but sorry, I still can't believe soldiers are putting children in their crosshairs and executing them. Call me naive. Please post pics/evidence. Would be neat hearing the argument why it's justified.
1 million camera phones in Gaza and zero pictures/videos of most of the pro Hamas propaganda of Israeli atrocities that Victor mainlines. Like the reports of armies of drones armed with machine guns, yet not a single picture or video of a single such drone in action.
It gives Iran plausible deniability in international relations, yes. Their strategy is essentially to have as much influence without being responsible for that influence, and this helps to avoid direct confrontation with other countries.
It also gives Iran a lot of flexibility. If a proxy does something and it doesn't bode well for Iran then they can withhold further aid. If the proxy does something which Iran likes and they realize that international reactions are not going to hamper them, they can increase aid.
For the time being the US seems to be out of the "supporting extremists" business. Even the extremists fighting Assad we dont appear to be supporting in any meaningful way. The US does support more moderate entities in places like Iraq, Yemen and now the Palestinian Territories. And of course these groups have very low public approval.
If there is one thing the Arabs have proven, it is they would rather support their own monsters than foreign supported moderates; no matter how bad their monsters make things. Places like Yemen, Gaza and Syria couldn't be worse; yet the people are very supportive of their homegrown bad guys.
For the time being the US seems to be out of the "supporting extremists" business. Even the extremists fighting Assad we dont appear to be supporting in any meaningful way. The US does support more moderate entities in places like Iraq, Yemen and now the Palestinian Territories. And of course these groups have very low approval. If there is one thing the Arabs have proven,
USA supported the Free Syrian Army of which Al Nusra is a part which is related to Al Queda.
It gives Iran plausible deniability in international relations, yes. Their strategy is essentially to have as much influence without being responsible for that influence, and this helps to avoid direct confrontation with other countries.It also gives Iran a lot of flexibility. If a proxy does something and it doesn't bode well for Iran then they can withhold further aid. If the
I think if you're going to say Hamas is an Iranian proxy with their own agency then you should concede Ukraine is a western proxy. Seems like pretty similar situations with Ukraine receiving much more support even proportionally.
