British Politics

British Politics

Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.

Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.

Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...

Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.

Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...

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If the intention isn't to provoke terror in the population, someone cannot rightly be called a terrorist.

This...isn't...hard


by jalfrezi k

If the intention isn't to provoke terror in the population, someone cannot rightly be called a terrorist.

This...isn't...hard

Lol you keep the deflection going, good boy.

Not a bip about an actual marxist being elected at the head of Glasgow university, after you repeatedly fully denied marxism was rampant in anglo universities.


Let's just see you retract the nonsense about Guevara being a terrorist, then we can get on to the other nonsense in your post.

One nonsense at a time, please.


“Terrorism should be considered a valuable tactic when it is used to put to death some noted leader of the oppressing forces well known for his cruelty, his efficiency in repression, or other quality that makes his elimination useful. But the killing of persons of small importance is never advisable, since it brings on an increase of reprisals, including deaths.”


by jalfrezi k

I don't know if the full dataset is available but there are numerous reports in the media such as

Spare a thought for Elrazor and diebitter's keyboards.

Only 300 of almost 10,000 complaints were vexatious according to Police Scotland. The blame for the high numbers lies with the Scottish Government and Police Scotland, both of whom have misrepresented what the law says (including the justice minister in the Scottish Parliament again yesterday).

Also, if you tell people it is their perception that defines whether something is a hate crime and this perception shouldn’t be challenged then this is to be expected. It was all predicted beforehand and senior police officers have warned about it and the impact it will have on trust in the police.

With regards to the perception point there is a new issue as, despite the publicity around it, it now appears the police have moved away from the idea of unchallenged perception and are making the decision as to what they perceive to be a hate crime rather than the person reporting it. We can’t be certain though as despite requests from journalists to confirm that is now the case they are refusing to answer questions about it.
We have a good example a few days ago where someone reported an anti semitic hate crime against a SNP MSP’s father and was told by police they didn’t accept that was the case as the reporter wasn’t Jewish. It’s a shambles.


starmer decent in pmqs today. spent most of it taking the piss out of the liz truss book


No policies then? Oh well at least we laughed before setting up the likes of truss to carry on.

Wes Streeting yesterday explaining why he would be more conservative than the tories. Marvelous!


Had a laugh at this earlier. Pity it never went on a bit longer


Chez, do not underestimate the bants.


by diebitter k

Chez, do not underestimate the bants.

Big fan of humour both for itself and it's power. I need a good joke about how humour has moved from being a powerful way to achieve political ends to becoming a powerful way to achieve losing it all.

Were amusing ourselves to death but that joke isn't funny anymore. At least we have a soundtrack.


Knock Knock
Who's There?
Jeremy Corbyn
**** off.


Knock Knock
Who's There?
Kier Starmer
Who's There?


by chezlaw k

Knock Knock
Who's There?
Kier Starmer
Who's There?

😃


Knock knock
Who's there?
A gigantic turd
Go away diebitter


Hard to say how much I loathe the encroachment of football-moron bantz "culture" into serious political debate at PMQ when neo-Nazis are on the rise and so much is at stake.


I'd be more than fine with the humour if it went with some policies


Sturgeon's husband has been rearrested today.


by Husker k

Sturgeon's husband has been rearrested today.

Oh dear. How very unfortunate.


Per Ipsos Mori poll for the Evening Standard, Sunak now has an approval rating of -59, the same as John Major in 1994 and one point above Jeremy Corbyn's -60 nadir in 2019. The Tories are on 19% (one point down since February) and Labour on 44% (three points down), still giving Labour a 25-point lead. In 1997, Labour had a 26-point lead. However, Tony Blair had a +22 approval rating. Sir Keir, by contrast, is at -31, comparable to election-losers William Hague and Ed Miliband, who scored -32 and -34 at a similar pre-election stage in their leaderships. This is his lowest rating since he took the leadership, and downslides like that tend to carry on. Sir Keir still has an advantage of 44% to 22% over Sunak as 'most capable PM', close to the overall party standings, but seemingly that is not saying much, it is merely the choice that is on offer. Obviously a party with shouty property-flipper Angela Rayner as deputy leader is not entirely credible.

The Tories appear to be facing a 1997 wipeout or worse, with scores of Tory MPs not wanting to stand again, even though nobody seems to rate Labour much either, so it's likely to be a landslide by default, which is slightly weird. But this would account for the Labour leadership's determination not to announce anything that might put anyone off (although in my case, with the proposed fringe-dogma hate-crime and conversion-practices bills -- representing a strange ideology that the Cass Review has just destroyed -- they have already done that, and they are perhaps fortunate that the wider electorate haven't noticed yet).

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics...


by 57 On Red k

Oh dear. How very unfortunate.

He's been charged now


Yes, and after nine hours' questioning, though he's not being held in custody. They haven't said what the exact charges are and they may have referred several charges to prosecutors who will decide which if any to proceed with. It always did seem a bit previous of SNP fans to crow that Murrell and Sturgeon were 'released without charge' at an earlier stage, as if that were the end of the matter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-6...


by 57 On Red k

Yes, and after nine hours' questioning, though he's not being held in custody. They haven't said what the exact charges are and they may have referred several charges to prosecutors who will decide which if any to proceed with. It always did seem a bit previous of SNP fans to crow that Murrell and Sturgeon were 'released without charge' at an earlier stage, as if that were the end of the matter.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-6...

It's always been bizarre that it was somehow accepted as being okay having Sturgeon as FM and her husband running the SNP. There's no way that would be acceptable for the UK government and there'd be a definite outcry about it. It's yet another example of how dysfunctional politics have been up here for years.

In other news the SNP have ditched some of their climate targets. I was listening to a climate campaigner a few weeks ago who actually pointed out there is a strange situation where the Conservatives, or Sunak specifically, seem to speak against taking action on climate change while quietly doing things in the background that are actually effective (I can't remember the examples he gave), whereas it's the opposite with the SNP as they speak out about taking action against climate change but their actual actions show that isn't the case. It was very damning and it's therefore not surprising when yesterday's announcement was made.


Here’s a good timeline from the BBC on the police investigation into the SNP’s finances. You can also read between the lines with regards to some of the events such as Sturgeon’s shock resignation.



Damning.

I particularly enjoyed this

June 2021 - SNP chief executive Peter Murrell, the husband of Nicola Sturgeon, provides a £107,000 loan the party to "assist with cashflow".

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