Israel/Palestine thread
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Johns Hopkins and the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine looked at the 30k number at the end of February and concluded that it was plausible and credible. I don't see anyone coming up with numbers lower than 30k. It's not like Hamas is saying it's 100k or 200k.
That number included hamas soldiers
I assume you think 13k is too high for that? What do you think the civilian number was
And the ministry numbers were 10k dec 7, 25k mid January, 34k today but you insist the casualties are not going down they just aren't being reported high enough now by the hamas comtrolled Gaza health ministry
Dunno what you're talking about with "you insist the casualties are not going down". Can you not read? Are you just an *******? Or are you just stupid? Seriously, I've said the opposite and I've talked about it back and forth with rafiki. I've tried to be patient with you because you're understandably upset, even though you're a dumb Trumper who thinks the National Inquirer er NY Post is a newspaper, but if you're just going to not read or lie, what's the point?
Dunno what you're talking about with "you insist the casualties are not going down". Can you not read? Are you just an *******? Or are you just stupid? Seriously, I've said the opposite and I've talked about it back and forth with rafiki. I've tried to be patient with you because you're understandably upset, even though you're a dumb Trumper who thinks the National Inquirer er NY Post is a newspaper, but if you're just going to not read or lie, what's the point?
Let's bring up Trump who I'm likely not voting for just to be an ass because you're a self hating jew and think bringing up Trump for no reason is going to make you look good!!
Like have you lost your mind? Do you need a sedative
God bless you you unhinged lunatic.
shes not Moooslim btw. Christian. but Christian Arab so I do wonder about Dun's feelings on if she should be tortured and murdered as atonement for **** that Muzzie's did in 685.
I actually dont wonder. I already know.
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These 37 House Democrats and 21 Republicans voted against Israel aid
Bryan Metzger Apr 20, 2024, 3:09 PM EDT
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Democratic Reps. Summer Lee, Rashida Tlaib, and Cori Bush all voted against providing military aid to Israel.
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The House passed a bill to provide military aid to Israel and humanitarian aid for Gaza.
It's part of a package that includes Ukraine aid and is likely to pass the Senate next week.
Dozens of progressive Democrats — and some hard-right Republicans — voted against it.
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The House of Representatives on Saturday passed a bill that includes more than $14 billion in military aid to Israel and more than $9 billion in humanitarian aid, much of which will go to Gaza.
The bill passed by a 366-58 margin, but dozens of progressive Democrats — and a cohort hard-right Republicans — voted against it.
Under an unconventional plan from House Speaker Mike Johnson, the bill will be sent to the Senate as part of a package that includes aid for Ukraine and Taiwan and a third bill that forces a sale of TikTok and allows the United States to confiscate Russian assets. Lawmakers voted individually on each component.
The combined bill closely mirrors a $95.3 billion national security bill passed by the Senate in February. Three senators voted against that package over the Israel aid.
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President Joe Biden has pledged to sign the bill into law after it passes the Senate in the coming days, a move that could anger those on the progressive left who have called for him to take a different approach to Israel's war in Gaza, where over 30,000 Palestinians have been killed.
It's not the first time in recent months that Democrats have voted en masse against Israel aid. They've become more comfortable doing so amid the devastation in Gaza.
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In November, all but 12 of them voted against a bill that would have paired Israel aid with cuts to the Internal Revenue Service, a non-starter for Democrats. And in February, just 46 Democrats voted for an Israel aid bill that didn't include those cuts, with Democrats largely taking the position that they wanted to see Ukraine aid paired with Israel aid.
14 House Republicans voted against the latter Israel aid bill in February, with many citing the cost of the aid.
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But Saturday's vote was different — this bill is all but certain to be signed into law, and the significant number of Democrats who voted against Israel aid shows how quickly the issue has shifted in recent months.
"To give the Netanyahu government more offensive weapons at this stage is to condone the utter destruction of Gaza we've seen over the last seven months and risks fueling a deadly regional war," said Rep. Becca Balint of Vermont, a progressive Jewish Democrat, in a statement ahead of her vote. "The United States cannot continue to support the extreme offensive that has caused unimaginable suffering to the Palestinian people."
Here are the 21 Republicans who voted against the bill:
Andy Biggs of Arizona
Lauren Boebert of Colorado
Tim Burchett of Tennessee
Andrew Clyde of Georgia
Eli Crane of Arizona
Warren Davidson of Ohio
Scott DesJarlais of Tennessee
Matt Gaetz of Florida
Bob Good of Virginia
Paul Gosar of Arizona
Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia
Andy Harris of Maryland
Thomas Massie of Kentucky
Cory Mills of Florida
Troy Nehls of Texas
Ralph Norman of South Carolina
Scott Perry of Pennsylvania
Matt Rosendale of Montana
Chip Roy of Texas
Tom Tiffany of Wisconsin
Ryan Zinke of Montana
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Here are the 37 Democrats who voted against the bill:
Becca Balint of Vermont
Don Beyer of Virginia
Earl Blumenauer of Oregon
Jamaal Bowman of New York
Cori Bush of Missouri
Andre Carson of Indiana
Greg Casar of Texas
Joaquin Castro of Texas
Judy Chu of California
Mark DeSaulnier of California
Lloyd Doggett of Texas
Maxwell Frost of Florida
John Garamendi of California
Chuy García of Illinois
Al Green of Texas
Jonathan Jackson of Illinois
Pramila Jayapal of Washington
Hank Johnson of Georgia
Ro Khanna of California
Dan Kildee of Michigan
Barbara Lee of California
Summer Lee of Pennsylvania
Jim McGovern of Massachusetts
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York
Ilhan Omar of Minnesota
Chellie Pingree of Maine
Mark Pocan of Wisconsin
Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts
Delia Ramirez of Illinois
Jamie Raskin of Maryland
Mark Takano of California
Bennie Thompson of Mississippi
Rashida Tlaib of Michigan
Jill Tokuda of Hawaii
Nydia Velázquez of New York
Maxine Waters of California
Bonnie Watson Coleman of New Jersey
I'm sure the 37 democrats at least will welcome the 'endorsement'.
I hate being so cyncial but I can't help but wonder at the recent stories suggesting an end of the recent Israel-Iran direct hostilities and the imminent passing of the aid bill.
shes not Moooslim btw. Christian. but Christian Arab so I do wonder about Dun's feelings on if she should be tortured and murdered as atonement for **** that Muzzie's did in 685.
I actually dont wonder. I already know.
She is an activist who was detained for "incitement" and a court disagreed and released her. That is how functional societies work.
In Gaza when someone dissents, Hamas takes them away and they are never seen again. That is how dysfunctional societies work.
This isn't hard. The people you support have bad, Stone Age value systems. And the more power they have, the worse the world gets.
Politico claimed it was due to a briefing that Ukraine was at the point where they need aid now or Russia could make some serious gains:
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/18...
I personally think pressure was so great on Johnson that he had no choice.
It's probably a combination of factors.
they tortured her first.
and you think Hamas doesnt torture and release anyone? I would be they do sometimes.
She is an activist who was detained for "incitement" and a court disagreed and released her. That is how functional societies work.
In Gaza when someone dissents, Hamas takes them away and they are never seen again. That is how dysfunctional societies work.
This isn't hard. The people you support have bad, Stone Age value systems. And the more power they have, the worse the world gets.
brother the people you support murder and rape and do genocide. you already know his and you justify it bc apparently Muhammed and his tribe may or may not have killed some Jews in the 600s.
brother the people you support murder and rape and do genocide. you already know his and you justify it bc apparently Muhammed and his tribe may or may not have killed some Jews in the 600s.
But exponentially less than the people you support. Because I support western democracies with 20th century values and you support totalitarian dictatorships with Stone Age values.
I dont think you want to count the $tat$ on if the West has done more genocide than anyone else.
But exponentially less than the people you support. Because I support western democracies with 20th century values and you support totalitarian dictatorships with Stone Age values.
A true democracy doesn't occupy nations. It respects basic forms of self-determination and their establishment of a monopoly of force. There is no democracy in the Middle East. Just lesser evils.
I'm way too conservative to consider rubble casualties for an estimated total.
I'm an ivory tower professor, Bibi is a politician, the media is full of pundits, but you have to contort in ways to suck your own dick to call the consensus opinion of doctors on the ground a bunch of liars. Every physician's account of what's happening to everyday people is of shock. None think it's hyperbole to call the IDF barbaric and the conditions dystopian.
I have far more respect for those itt who acknowledge these facts and are fine with it out of Islamophobia than the people who wanna get in the weeds about how the bodies are counted. You're the sick fukks.
Also, they can't have it both ways -- a Jewish state surrounded by Arabs while colonizing Arab land and be a democracy. A democracy would be one state letting the chips fall where they may in accordance with the people's will while holding certain truths of natural rights to be self-evident. This is impossible with these people: the Jews and the Muslims.
every doctor that does a stint there mentions kids getting sniped. but this thread is like no way would the IDF shoot a child. as if they cant remember 2019.
I am sure the battalion doing rape in the West Bank since before Oct 7 is totally fighting Hamas
