The costs of trans visibility

No I don't discriminate against people who lack testosterone.

I discriminate against minors who take puberty blockers to "change sex" because that option should be fully illegal, and not rewarded.

I try to do the most I can to avoid healthy minors being devastated by radical leftist ideology

Good post, except some extremists monsters on your side actually do disagree on facts as well (you don't, so you don't have to defend that, but you have to be aware some people on your left do)

I disagree with this.

How do you know what motivation was behind the switch? How is it ignorance or bigotry to guess differently than you do?

It's ignorant to not know the facts, it's bigotry when you disregard the known facts, then make up and assert a derogatory motive instead. Congratulations on exhibiting both.

The trans movement believes a trans person is the "gender" they claim to be. So the term man or woman have no basis in anything scientific, but instead gender ideology. This isn't only their own words but they act it out as well. This is why men are forcing their way in to womens sports, bathrooms, change rooms, shelters for the abused, prisons, and of course demanding you address them as their self determined identity (or have a mega meltdown. Or have the government enforce it through the human rights code)

Gender ideology is made up. It has no scientific evidence behind it. It's just nonsensical ideology

I can prove it by asking you a handful of simple questions. The fact you or anyone in the pro trans camp won't answer in good faith is the most likely outcome but feel free to surprise everyone

1) What is a woman? How does your definition differ from the typical trans activist if at all?

Same question goes to you

1) What is a woman? How does your definition differ from the typical trans activist if at all?

Since you haven't answered my first question, I'll also repeat that brain buster for you. How and why should you treat a trans person insisting on "gender affirming care" different than someone who is anorexic. What are the key differences in their conditions?

Which facts are those? Seems like it would take mind reading ability for any relevant facts here.

i haven't seen anyone arguing that lia transitioned to win more swim meets - if people here do believe that then i'd strongly disagree with that

Here is a recent and an older quote from chillrob arguing Lia transitioned to win more at swimming. And to get attention.

What facts are you relying on when you argue Lia transitioned to win when swimming against females?

Women's intuition.

We know you are just making it up. Only you seem to miss this, even with your women's intuition.

Ok. This is all pretty meh, but I think it illustrates the original point, which is that you are disagreeing with me on a question of values and how to resolve different desires from different people that are in conflict and which way you want to "force" people. My original point was that this isn't a fundamental disagreement about the basic facts of the matter.

This is quite common. I'm not quite sure why the anti-trans activists ITT are so insistent that when someone transitions, it is actually for a nefarious reason to win where they couldn't before. I suppose it is going to be hard to ever prove that is necessarily false, but the simplest explanation is that the person who says they are trans actually is trans, and their goal wasn't to become the most hated trans athlete on the planet through some evil ruse.

She, her coach and teammates gave a ton of interviews about it but chillrob just makes **** up.

This is another good illustration of my point. You are getting mad at language and the use of a "term". That isn't a disagreement about any scientific facts. Or, maybe there is a bit, let's see. You claim "gender ideology" is made up - well you put the word ideology in there and that word usually connotates bad things. Do you think "gender" is made up too?

Yes.

(On behalf of Luckbox)

Believe it or not, I dont actually see in to the future. There's a reason you're so predictable. I can ask you one of the most basic questions imaginable and predict you'll refuse to answer.

Try your hardest to answer the question please. It shouldn't cause too many thinky pains. You can do it

Yes the term and present use of "gender" is made up nonsense. Start with question 1 and I'll hold your hand through this.

It's pretty obvious that a person with a male body who has the desire to enter women's competitions, kick the crap out of everyone and ruin the events has some sort of mental/personality problem.

It's like trying to compete in the little league world series as an adult because you're a leap year baby.

I think part of the reason the movement is so deranged is that it is a magnet for such people. Like, middle class white kids who want to gain currency by going from the oppressor categories to
oppressed, by claiming they are non binary or whatever.

This creates a selection bias. It's like an American Indian movement driven by white people who claimed to be part NA for personal gain.

how did we even start talking about motives in the first place

if you rob a bank for the lolz vs robbing it to feed your family you still robbed a bank

So you say. What facts are you basing your guess on?

Honestly, I just thought everyone has you on their ignore list.

beginning to understand a bit more why you guys are focused on motives

the bolded has 100% been going on for a while - i'd say non binary is probably the newer version of this

as usual, southpark nails it

The question is definitely too difficult for you. That's for sure. Feel free to shock the world