Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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It's interesting how your perspective on student protests changes as you age. This is the most significant sustained level of student protests in the United States in the last twenty years, and probably the most significant in the last fifty years. But it doesn't seem that tumultuous to me because I am long past my college days. The protests have had little or no impact on m
South Africa protests were huge in 1984 and 85 at UC Berkeley and there were several times when bus loads of people were arrested and there were police crashing protest lines and there were buildings taken over. Still, most students paid little attention to it and the whole thing didn't get much in anyone's way. The big police actions were always in off hours. And, ultimately UC did divest from SA.
The thing at UCLA right now wasn't exactly hard to find, but for me, someone not terribly familiar with the campus, it took me like 20 minutes on campus before I got within range that I could hear it and tell which way to go.
What do they expect with those protest ( it’s here in Canada too…😉, that we invade Israel for them to stop (especially Canada 0o ??) .
With the massive amount of immigration we have , seem we import elsewhere problem as well .
Don’t we have enough problems here ?
And why manifest in universities?
What does universities have anything to do with this ?
Shouldn’t they aim at an embassy or something Instead ?
Organize some boycott or w.e ?
I heard a stat a few months ago I have to go dig up from a former mainstream new employee who quit over the way Israel is covered. He laid out the number of correspondents in Israel, vs all the other countries in Africa and the Middle East. Israel had more than all the others combined by a giant factor. A really startling stat.We're talking BEFORE 10/7. So there's SOMETHING abo
How do you draw the conclusion that "one half" (not one part, but half) is that it's about Jews when the model that protestors only protest when white people (perceived as white - part of the power structure and the West) are involved in oppressing people who aren't white?
The other thing is like threads in this forum. There has to be two sides for there to be a controversy. You can report on human rights abuse in Saudi Arabia all day and no one will read it the same as a human rights thread about Saudi Arabia in this forum will immediately die off because there's no controversy.
Start a North Korea is bad thread and you'll get 3 or 4 people saying "yup" and the thread will die. No one will read stories about it in a newspaper either. (I mean twitter thread - forgot, newspapers are extinct.)
How do you draw the conclusion that "one half" (not one part, but half) is that it's about Jews when the model that protestors only protest when white people (perceived as white - part of the power structure and the West) are involved in oppressing people who aren't white?The other thing is like threads in this forum. There has to be two sides for there to be a controversy.
Gosh you really pick at the little details. I will speak more precisely.
One SIDE (not half) of the conflict getting that massively disproportionate amount of news coverage, is a country full of Jews. A country full of Jews has more news correspondents assigned to it than all the rest of Africa and the Middle East combined (and by a factor).
I hope this is more suitable now.
I never once would have expected better of mongodig. He's a completely savage fascist who just salivates over the prospect of people getting punished.
What do they expect with those protest ( it’s here in Canada too…), that we invade Israel for them to stop (especially Canada 0o ??) .With the massive amount of immigration we have , seem we import elsewhere problem as well .Don’t we have enough problems here ?And why manifest in universities?What does universities have anything to do with this ?Shouldn’t they aim at an embassy
The organizers of these protests know that college students are easily brainwashed. They make for excellent useful idiots. The Hamas supporters know that they can't defeat Israel militarily. Their intention is to hit Israel in the pocket book. This has spread across the world because of social media. You'll notice that almost all of the participants are losers. They're ugly people who don't have much going for them. You don't see many student athletes or fraternity members out there. This is their chance to fight back against the man.
Gosh you really pick at the little details. I will speak more precisely.
One SIDE (not half) of the conflict getting that massively disproportionate amount of news coverage, is a country full of Jews. A country full of Jews has more news correspondents assigned to it than all the rest of Africa and the Middle East combined (and by a factor).
I hope this is more suitable now.
It is, but why not treat that as a suggestion that the West is not really interested in places that aren't considered Western?
The organizers of these protests know that college students are easily brainwashed. They make for excellent useful idiots. The Hamas supporters know that they can't defeat Israel militarily. Their intention is to hit Israel in the pocket book. This has spread across the world because of social media. You'll notice that almost all of the participants are losers. They're ugly peo
I just assumed we were doing Che 2.0. Most of us are old enough to remember that phase (I assume?).
It is, but why not treat that as a suggestion that the West is not really interested in places that aren't considered Western?
I believe you know that I do consider this.
It doesn't make it logical (and it certainly doesn't make it true)
I believe you know that I do consider this.
It doesn't make it logical (and it certainly doesn't make it true)
Tell me your theory that explains:
Western leftists protested South Africa, do not protest Saudi Arabia, and do protest Israel. You're almost there, but South Africans are not Jewish.
sry, I didn't notice first time around. Which account was it?
So after a quick skim of today's college news
At unc a group took down the Us flag and put up the Palestinian flag. Police were finally called and helped them put the American Flag up
Columbia is threatening expulsions .students still occupyingHamilton Hall.. today is the deadline to stop ... we're serious this time ...
Police pepper sprayed some protestors at UNC
Pro Israel protesters got a hold of some oct 7 footage and played it on a big screen outside
People practice sin and are thereby already adequately punished.
But when you drag half-dead captives through the streets, you can get done. The entire culture, from those that provide sanctuary, to those directly engaged in the barbarity
The organizers of these protests know that college students are easily brainwashed. They make for excellent useful idiots. The Hamas supporters know that they can't defeat Israel militarily. Their intention is to hit Israel in the pocket book. This has spread across the world because of social media. You'll notice that almost all of the participants are losers. They're ugly peo
Are they idiots easily brainwashed to make them change sex too ?
On more serious note, u didn’t answer my question .
What are they expecting from their actions ?
Seem an embassy would be more to the point shrug .
What does it mean when they say it?
You answered what it means for other people to know it.
What do the 90% mean when they say it?
The 90% just see this as a slogan but don't understand the genocidal/ethnic cleansing meaning.
They don't even know which river and which sea.
Wasn’t asking if it was a slogan or not.
I’m asking you what do you think they mean when they say to the river to the see since we know they don’t mean it with genocidal intent
Are they idiots easily brainwashed to make them change sex too ?
On more serious note, u didn’t answer my question .
What are they expecting from their actions ?
Seem an embassy would be more to the point shrug .
Change?
We've seen protest movements lead to change. I think it's reasonable for them to dream up a scenario where this is the same. That much I think is pretty straight forward.
Now I'm not sure what change, if the side you root for wants the River to the Sea. But they probably have various milestones. Some form of Palestinian State being one.
I think divestment is the primary goal of the protests as it was during the protests against South Africa and one of the things Mandela after the changes was come to the US and thank people who demonstrated and say that it helped.
Change?
We've seen protest movements lead to change. I think it's reasonable for them to dream up a scenario where this is the same. That much I think is pretty straight forward.
Now I'm not sure what change, if the side you root for wants the River to the Sea. But they probably have various milestones. Some form of Palestinian State being one.
I don’t know many countries that reject the Palestinian state ?
And again , universities are a strange place to do imo .
Aim at embassies or Washington etc imo ?
I think divestment is the primary goal of the protests as it was during the protests against South Africa and one of the things Mandela after the changes was come to the US and thank people who demonstrated and say that it helped.
Ok but I don’t think Canada for example has any big Influence about that .
University seem a bad place to do as well .
Problem is over there , not here and the distinction I would make comparing in South Africa is that it was a clear oppression .
The situation we speak of about Israel Palestine is that they both are wrong , depending which time line you chose to focus on …
Beside they have both unworthy leaders too doing very bad things .
So regardless what the west does , with politics leaders like that they will just continue.
If they ask the western country to intervene militarily in Israel , it will never happen ….
the distinction I would make comparing in South Africa is that it was a clear oppression .
The suppression of the Palestinians is much more violent and it has gone on 35 years longer. Apartheid went from the 1940s to about 1990.
