Israel/Palestine thread

The rest of your post is different issues. Who is right or wrong? Whether agreements can be workable? But as far as whether Universities matter or divestment generally? Well, Mandela claimed that it helped? It added pressure to SA to find some kind of settlement. Why wouldn't it add pressure to Israel?

(Whether that works or not and whether any possible resulting peace efforts by Israel work or not - like I said - are separate considerations. It's pressure that is felt by Israel regardless.)

garbage human, it's the biggest neonazi/white supremacist account around Twitter afaik.

Palestinians should have let Jews pray at the temple. They shouldn't have conducted thousands of suicide bombings against Israel. They should recognize Israels right to exist. The bottom line is the Palestinians have created the conditions they are in now. The folks in Gaza had a great life before Oct 7th. Now they will live under heavy Israeli control like those in the West Bank.

These protests are gaining support for Israel. People see these pro Hamas protestors acting like animals and realize who the good guy's are.

It's about logistics. Many students live on campus or near campus.

I'll tell what is going to happen because of these protests. Donald Trump will be elected President again. Americans are pissed that this nonsense is being allowed in our country. You have to wonder how many of these criminals snuck in from the southern border. We need to take back control. Also, the idea of debt relief for college students is now dead in the water.

Doesn't seem like a great deal. They should ask for a vote sooner than October.

I think they asked for October 7th.

I would assume that its close to 0 that these protests as a whole will ever reach vietnam size but the protests did work to a degree during vietnam. The divestment part is lol for several reasons but these protests could help sway some of the decision making during an election year - especially in 2024 when the media can turn a candle light into an end of the world scenario for the monies.

Next board meeting is June 9th, but they are giving until Sept 30 for the Advisory Committee on University Resources Management to come up with a recommendation (maybe including how it could be implemented, not sure) before the vote which is on Oct 23, not the 7th, though morondig's joke was slightly amusing.

Why is the divestment part lol? It was a significant part of the South African protests all over the world in the 80s and were they lol?

I would think divestments would be the one thing that they could actually achieve.

Be specific? Cutting ties woth boeing? Someone else? How would that negatively affect the universities? Whats the payoff?

They will lose so much donor money if they follow bds

The point is not to negatively affect the Universities, it's to put pressure on Israel and divestment or boycotts are the only way to do that for people outside Israel. It's one thing to say the goal is a "free Palestine" or one-state or two-state, but fact is this kind of protesting all over the world only happened because of the scale of the destruction. Nothing would take the wind out of the sails of these protests faster than a real cease-fire.

the best is watching the protestors get hit with pepper spray and have to drop their covid masks to gag.

and also seeing them "smashing" doors to get in like Derek Zoolander working the mines

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I was responding to LB and asked why he thought divestment seemed achievable. Maybe the divestment talks cause Israel or the US administration to somehow panic leading to some sort of positive change, or maybe its some shift over the overton window to let folks know that they are serious in their boycotts and such which is all fine. But the actual requests, in practice, cause the students and the universities harm while the business 10x the size remain essentially untouched or even increase their free cash. Universities need a lot of support.

Your overall premise probably has a lot of truth to it but also there is coverage for things that can escalate into bigger conflicts.
Russia/Ukraine can get a lot of coverage because of course it's big bad Russia but also it's something that can lead to a larger war directly involving the US and Europe.
Any conflict involving Israel always has the chance to turn into a bigger regional war sucking in the US. Unfortunately no one gaf about Saudi/Yemen or if the DRC is helping slaughter Rwandans.
Niger got a little blip of coverage as they are going anti colonial and trying to build a coalition with other countries. That may force some foreign powers to step in.

Divestment movement had mixed support at best in South Africa and empirical evidence suggests it did very little in moving share prices and capital raises in SA.

Similarly today, many Palestinians actually living in WB today would prefer a richer Israel because you know, they aren’t stupid and realize Israel is an indispensable employer and trade partner for Palestinians.

BDS is honestly a caricature of libtards willing to fight to the last drop of other people’s blood while they protest knowing there is a safe and comfortable home for them to return to.

I dont know how true this is anymore. To the best of my knowledge Israel has not allowed WB Palestinians to come back in to work, and Israel is aggressively hiring workers from SE Asia, so maybe the goal is to not ever allow appreciable numbers back in. I really dont know.

That being said, it is probable that economic sanctions of Israel are liable to cause more problems than help, for a number of reasons. For example, it could draw Israel AND nations Israel does business with into the Russia/China sphere of influence. I mean if the goal was to shoot ourselves in the foot on principle, there have been plenty of better causes and opportunities than the Palestinian right for eternal Jihad to destroy Israel.

A few more tchotchkes oughta solve it. How's the manifesto coming along?

And this doesn't even get into the human capital costs. Jews are generally high human capital, and antisemites generally are low. Pretty big equity swing to alienate "Zionists" and their allies to appease the antisemite demographic.

The political isolation of the apartheid regime was much more important. It helped convince the Boors that the whole world was against them and they needed to give up their peculiar experiment. Similarly, Israel depends on its "special" relationship to the facts, which is eroded by the BDS campaign. It isn't about the money.

Both the South Africans and Palestinians say it helps. There's a reason Zionists are going ape **** about it.