[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread

My suspicion is that a lot of these 200NL regs are talking to each other while playing and soft-colluding. They have similar stats, generally act fast, yet when your in a 3 way hand with them they take way more time. Then if you fold they act fast again. They also will just cold call each others 3bets to get in pots with you 3 handed. Could just be paranoia from getting beat up over the last few weeks but it just feels the same to me now as it did in December last year.

How could they destroy our only site. I think we should all write Ignition Support and Complain. Go to their forums and complain! I don't think we should let this go!

Is someone with reg'ish stats cold calling 3bets an obvious sign of collusion? Anything else you look out for? I've never noticed collusion but I play micros and probably don't tag the hands where it's a possibility. what are the red flags are for you guys and do you take any counter strategies if you think someone's colluding? Same thing with bots, what are the red flags that make you think someone's a bot?

You are thinking this is a rule based single bot that has things like always raise aa to 12bbs preflop.

It’s an ai bot that integrated with the other bots at the table with a live operator who follows the rta advice. The extra hole card knowledge is completely decimating along with the gto play.

Don't they get millions off us? Can't they hire a few guys to seat in that are in the know on peculiar plays and to research the accounts that are doing these out of line actions? Is it that hard to hire 4-5 people for a few months to clean these dirtbags up?

It’s about 50/50 on whether ignition hired the company. Also I’m with Ponty that basically the only people who seem to think the bots are beatable are small stakes regs. Maybe it’s a different profile than midstakes (shrug).

Also just reshuffling preflop after every fold would cut the bots winrate substantially. The collusion is very well executed.

I’ve noticed that too with Zone, I think even if you try to leave the game you are still sitting there for like 10 minutes. If you log back into the same zone table you will see yourself there even if you tried to leave.

Weird..

I have noticed collusion too at 1/2.

Now I only play .50/1.00 and I don’t notice it there at all..

Screenshot in the about tab on botfarms website, from the sounds of it seems like there is a lot of sites/apps that buy their services. It's not too surprising that small stakes regs think the games are beatable. There is way more games running there and more fish. If the fish is big enough you can beat any game, but it's not like it's that easy to get in a lot of volume at 1k+ on bovada anyways.

It seems like sometime in the last 1-2 years, they eliminated or reduced their security staff. They literally have done nothing to stop rampant cheating on their site.

This would require a significant recoding of their software, something they aren't willing to do. They've had the Zone reload glitch present for like 6 years, so expecting them to change their shuffling mechanics is laughable.

It's clear that they don't make much money on their poker and have decided to let it go. Eventually, everyone will leave except the bots and degens, and they will make the same amount of money as they do now. The fish were going to lose, regardless, so it just punishes regs, which the sites don't want anyways.

If you complain to Ignition support, they will tell you to clear your browser cache.

Don't worry. 2 morons right now are working on ways to exploit this.

Just like with poker in casinos, they probably make 99% of their money from their sportsbook and poker is just an outlet that makes them some money but no where near enough to care about. If anything it's just a way to get someone into your casino.

They used to care, they used to ban people and I used to get ''regular'' refunds. This stopped about 18-24 months ago and site has been borderline unplayable since. All my volume was 200nl and 500nl.

The best site in the world for USA to play on being destroyed by bot infestations. It's like killing my baby man. I don't want to battle a bunch of Estonian and Kazahki Regs it's not really plus EV to do so. This is not right. For friggin RNG stakes can we can some love here. Can someone save us from a few malicious assmunches trying to destroy the best site for USA in the world? There has to be someone we can talk to at Iggy? WTF is this!

Oh it's money and now we're screwed, now we got to go play on BOL or ACR and there will be people who don't punt who play 15 VPIP and snort GTO. This is annoying as hell man.

A friggin slot machine, that's what we get. Unreal. I looked at this and yep you're all right... Why give two poos about Poker when you got people gambling on the slots. Unreal!

blockchain no longer works as an intermediary. use exodus

This is terrifying. I knew it was bad and I stopped playing on here about 4 months ago, but it is even worse than I imagined.

I use ETH > my own wallet > send to MEXC they don't give af > send back to my other main wallet > send to coinbase

or sometimes I just bridge to L2 ethereum and then send to a fresh wallet and then send to coinbase.

Certainly overkill but **** it lol. I think I probably still pay lower fees than you versus bitcoin esp if I time it for when gas on ethereum is cheap.

If I can interrupt the drama, on "My Bonuses" page on Bovada, I have two bonuses listed. One bonus is a "Bovada Crypto-Exclusive Bonus" with the playthrough symbols of a slot machine (casino), a football (sport) and a horse head (horses). That is as expected. However, the other bonus has a weird symbol that doesn't look like it means cards/poker. The second bonus is "Exclusive Welcome Bonus up to $500 + 25 Free Spins." It has the playthrough symobols for slot machine, football and horse head, but there is also a fourth symbol that looks like it resembles a phone or something. What is that fourth symbol if any of you know? The bonus description makes no further details besides casino, sports and horses. Is this welcome bonus clear on poker? I figured I would ask here besides take Bovada's customer service's word on what that symbol means and if it clears on poker before I deposit.

...I'm stuck in the middle of all this drama trying to ask a question in the thread. I chatted with Bovada live chat and they told me the fourth symbol was a cell phone. Then I asked what the heck a cell phone has to do with anything as you could always play Bovada on a cell phone. And live chat said they had no idea why the "Exclusive Welcome Bonus up to $500 + 25 Free Spins" and only that bonus had a cell phone symbol. Any of you guys know? And live chat said this bonus only clears at slots, casino or horse. Is that accurate or have any of you cleared it at poker? We now return to drama thread...

It's not for poker and if it was it would be plainly obvious, kind of annoying but proves that's where all their $ comes from.

There is a very specific new player poker bonus. The other bonuses are not cleared by playing poker.

Thanks for letting us now return to drama thread.

as far as i'm concerned the only "bonuses" for poker you can get are mtt tickets