Israel/Palestine thread

for politicians I agree.

and yes I am not talking about the USA exclusively, but dynamics are very similar across the world.

btw a CPA that manages to snatch a trick that leaves the IRS befuddles feels more powerful than any surgeon

as if

A free society protects the minority from government prosecution of free speech; it doesn't democratically decide which speech is preferred. Sorry, dude. If you're going be an authoritarian, go all the way. I'll respect that. But you can't be taken seriously as someone who believes in a free society and jail people for thoughts, feelings, and nonviolent political action.

There's no difference between what you're suggesting and autocrats jailing and assassinating their opponents. Which is fine if you're fine with that, but you can't have it both ways.

I enjoy watching people get what they deserve. that doesn't make me an awful human being.

Victor you know this guy right?

Ya he's pretty famous

Yea he is.
He is the worlds leading authority on Gaza. Chomskys buddy and mearshheimers.

I think they don't expect any consequences and are outrafed when they get some

negotiation is what happens before you call the police.

the criminals were already favoured and given a lot of latitude, they chose to keep doing crimes, they pay the consequences

You guys are no longer in search of guru joo, having found finkelmatter

speech isn't the issue, political action is though.

you can be drunk in a bar and say "I like Hamas", and no police comes and shoots you in the head. fine. that's ok.

but organizing politically to give space to Hamas ideas isn't just speech, that's supporting terrorism. any and all Hamas requests shouldn't be supported legally by anyone. if you act politically to try to build concentration camps you should be shot before we have an election, the instant you try to organize to convince society we should have concentration camps that's not speech anymore. that's action, attempted genocide.

same with supporting anything that helps hamas

the horror any political action with violent intents is violent.

Society decides which political outcomes aren't to be pursued full stop, because they are violent, if you keep trying to pursue them even non-violently that's violence and you get shut down.

you wouldn't do anything to a party proposing infibulation of all girls?

Horror you think free speech means you can tresspass, occupy, and have no consequences?

Sounds fun

he thinks you should be allowed to gather signatures for a constitutional amendment that requires Jews to be burnt in ovens, and be allowed legally to organize for that outcome as long as you aren't violent doing it

Sorry Washoe, but he's def not the worlds authority. Gotta put the Gazans themselves first.

its a field of one. there isnt anybody else who is an expert on gaza.
(in the west, palestinians dont count as they have no voices)

The specifics of the state matter tremendously because a govt is going to need to serve the people regardless in any normal economic society. I am referring to those who make the claim that communism would be an improved economic system over what the US has. When Entrepreneurs are incentivized to innovate new tech, it leads to some major advancements in every area of life regardless as opposed to like the Soviet Union where the state can stifle and cause stagnation. Price and demand has also better helped in maintaining the availability of resources as opposed to a state run system that has no ****ing shot at adapting to current market conditions. Even with taking the most charitable approach that humans are good you'd again still be at a major disadvantage with how well this state run system would be able to implement this bullshit model. Like, factoring in incentives of the work force needed between the two is just lol.

This mother****er went to work Oct 7th, prepped and well-rehearsed, and hasn't said 1 f*cking thing of consequence as he collects his appearance fees

Yep

Formula,

So much easier to follow a convo with a ton of posts in between in the other software. I don't think that's really what I was talking about. Regardless, don't see how that subthread is possible in the middle of this thread.

Let's tempt Atlas a bit more, is all. See what happens. ya dig?

The wealthiest can do with a little less, and the incentive to innovate is still there. Next

Not a single school that I know of (even NYU, which is traditionally the most antisemitic school) is really budging on refusing divestment demands. It seems to be a complete non starter.

The schools that are able to make agreements with the students to take down encampments is because the students drop maximalist divestment demands, and normally agree to something that is much less. The ones that refuse to drop their divestment demands have all had their encampments forcibly removed.

I dont think there is anything wrong that the Minnesota students were able to take no for an answer.

Vic must be on a hot date or something.

https://www.youtube.com/live/yayOGFhoeH8...