Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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As I surmised, now that the details of the "ceasefire agreement" are leaking out, we see that Hamas basically just made up their own "agreement" which does not back off any of their maximalist demands, and doesn't even promise to release any live hostages, and then announced they agreed to their own offer.
If I had to guess the number of live Israeli hostages is single digits. I think as far as any hostage deal goes, they cant make the number small enough Hamas could actually meet it.
Micro is apparently immune from bans if his recent semi hysterical profanity laden posts, where he simply insults people are anything to go by so you've nothing to worry about.
Cry harder, bro.
Great rebuttal. Seems like you agree but can't bring yourself to admit it because likening the Israeli government to a bunch of terrorists you hate is too hard for you, despite the behavioural similarities.
No I don't agree and I don't actually hate anyone. Nor do I think your comparison is apt anyway. I think you hate or at the very least strongly dislike the state of Israel so simply demonise them with slurs that are actually known anti Semitic tropes, which fwit I don't believe is your intention. But I simply can't take you seriously when you claim actual genocide.
Dude, you're the biggest whinger in this forum re calling for bans and I haven't even called for one either. Anyway feel free to keep up your substandard trolling.
Speaking of which you never answered my earlier question, surprise surprise- is Israel engaging in genocide, yes/no?
Assuming you didn't just make this up: did they compare this with other age cohorts? Do you have any data at all or just vibes? Cause I'm pretty sure no one conforms to peer pressure quicker than Facebook Boomers.
Trolly the reason I don't bother posting nearly as many links as before on all this very real stuff, is that it doesn't matter. Your side in here has rendered it totally useless. Any link I post is discredited. If someone wants one, then can PM me and we can discuss. Sometimes I'll post them because I think some of the other pro-Israel folks might find them interesting. But largely your bunch has made doing this totally worthless.
You guys are in a position to change that if you start considering the work as valuable. But if you don't, you're just wasting my time.
And "assuming you didn't just make this up" is also wasting my time. If that's the starting point we have, you have much less respect for me than I have for you.
Adults succumb to peer pressure, apparently, more than children
Trolly, go catch aids
I mean, have you seen the trucks people drive these days? Just lunacy, fully-grown adults make unbelievably stupid choices all the because of peer pressure all the time. That's basically the entire luxury goods sector of the economy all based on peer pressure.
Anyway, every reactionary clown over the past 200 years has said "young people R dumb and don't know what's going on." It's what they said during the SA protests in the 80s, the Iraq War(s), Afghanistan, Vietnam, about Reagan and the AIDS crisis, etc. etc. etc. Right every single time. At this point it's like a basic pattern recognition test, "Are college students wrong about the war?" is like the kind of test you give toddlers to see if they have learning disabilities.
And "assuming you didn't just make this up" is also wasting my time. If that's the starting point we have, you have much less respect for me than I have for you.
You want me to assume you're lying?
You imply there is a chance I made it up with that wording. I know you know that.
As I surmised, now that the details of the "ceasefire agreement" are leaking out, we see that Hamas basically just made up their own "agreement" which does not back off any of their maximalist demands, and doesn't even promise to release any live hostages, and then announced they agreed to their own offer. If I had to guess the number of live Israeli hostages is single digits.
instead of making things up and providing no sources. you could just read from the Israeli press.
It is sad how the Western "left" has completely abandoned the Iranian people, trying to free themselves from their tyrannical Islamist government, because the western left is on a pro Islamism kick right now.
The world could be so much better if it was rid of the IRI, and the Iranian people themselves actually want this to happen; but that would entail the Western left admitting that the IRI is actually the bad guy, which isn't convenient to the narrative, so here we are.
instead of making things up and providing no sources. you could just read from the Israeli press.
The Netanyahu administration has never agreed to any scenario that would end the war with Hamas still in charge. And the Times of Israel article you cite clearly states this is part of the second phase of Hamas's proposal. And no opinion piece of Haaretz is going to change this reality.
I do appreciate how whenever they say something that is convenient to your worldview Haaretz is suddenly good journalism. But every time they say something that doesn't fit your narrative, such as all the reporting they have done on Hamas sexual abuse, they are lying Zionists.
You do realize when reporting on the war, Haaretz is motivated by hatred of Netanyahu and his govt. And unless they are specifically smearing Netanyahu and his govt, the other 95% of their journalism you would just dismiss as Zionist lies.
human beings shouldnt be denied food, shelter, and medicine. they shouldnt be burned alive in tents, buried alive in rubble, beheaded, and blown to bits. those are the barest minimums.
Looks like we're finding some common ground, and you're beginning to understand why the actions of Oct 7 are so upsetting to folks.
What is really happening right now is the US State Dept and Biden administration have decided it is in the US best interest (or at least Biden's best interest) to just accede to Hamas demands; which would entail Israel not entering Rafa and ending the war with Hamas still in charge.
So all this Kabuki theatre is just the US State Dept working with the Israeli left putting pressure on Netanyahu to not invade Rafah and drop his stance that he will not end the war with Hamas still in charge.
And it appears at this time Israel is responding by deciding to go into Rafah without US support.
Looks like we're finding some common ground, and you're beginning to understand why the actions of Oct 7 are so upsetting to folks.
ya Israel doing the Hannibal doctrine and incinerating their own citizens was indeed abhorrent.
What is really happening right now is the US State Dept and Biden administration have decided it is in the US best interest (or at least Biden's best interest) to just accede to Hamas demands; which would entail Israel not entering Rafa and ending the war with Hamas still in charge. So all this Kabuki theatre is just the US State Dept putting pressure on Netanyahu to not invad
they are getting a lot of US support. maybe you missed all the planes and bombs and intel they were given by the US.
There are levels. Hamas is getting a lot of US support too, and has been for a long time.
There is a chess game going on, and you think it is tic tac toe.
no not really. if the US wanted the war to end, then it would be over in minutes.
The Netanyahu administration has never agreed to any scenario that would end the war with Hamas still in charge. And the Times of Israel article you cite clearly states this is part of the second phase of Hamas's proposal. And no opinion piece of Haaretz is going to change this reality. I do appreciate how whenever they say something that is convenient to your worldview Haa
That's one of the best posts in here in a WHILE
I cant grasp the sort of morally bankrupt culture that would willingly sacrifice their own sons and daughters for the opportunity to murder 100s of thousands of others.
Stage 1: 33 women or children. Dead or alive. Remains count. In exchange for 990 live prisoners, who have been there the longest. This is a 42 day phase. They would release about 3 a day. Dead or alive. 3 dead remains for 90 prisoners. Israel needs to withdraw from where they are. Everybody goes to their homes
That's just phase 1
Phase 2. Complete withdrawl. Dead or alive prisoner for live prisoners. Israel pays for rebuilding
Phase 3. Gaza rebuilt
Phase 4: oct 7 repeat
