Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
Your claim is that if the 3 people described run a 23andme , the 2 white people won't be found having more common ancestors? really?
Europeans sharing more genes with random Africans than with each other is a well-known expectation of genetic science, and it has been tested on random samples of Europeans and found to be true.
You learned something important today.
This is exactly why ethnicity has a much broader definition than simply genes. Genetic science has shown us that Europeans have a geographically wide spread of genes from all over the place, but the average European is overwhelmingly genetically African, and that includes you.
Europeans sharing more genes with random Africans than with each other is a well-known expectation of genetic science, and it has been tested on random samples of Europeans and found to be true.You learned something important today.This is exactly why ethnicity has a much broader definition than simply genes. Genetic science has shown us that Europeans have a geographically wid
You didn't say europeans, you said my neighbour which isn't a random european.
It's possible that the genetic distance between the average italian and the average african is smaller than the genetic distance between the average italian and the average finnish person yes. Plausible actually. Nothing to do with the example you provided though as my neighbours aren't random europeans rather italian citizens with 4 italian grandparents.
Italy in particular is a melting pot so genetics here is very mixed (Which is why it's absurd to claim italian ethnicity meaningfully), that doesn't mean other groups mixed the same. Some didn't much and ethnicity in those cases is a clear defining word.
That said people don't use ethnicity to mean what you want it to me *and you know that*. In particular in the USA. Culture has nothing to do with ethnicity and a white claiming black ethnicity because he "behaves like a black" is vilified a lot when he tries that.
sighhhhhhhhh ok let's try again.
Your neighbours with four Italian grandparents have more genes in common with a random African than they do with you.
Happy now?
I used the definition of ethnicity you provided, and another from wiki which also agreed.
Please stop posting nonsensical posts.
The definition i provided *included history* which requires common ancestors.
But keep going with the claim that blacks cease to be black if they are raised in a different culture and become that culture ethnicity.
How is this bet realisable without the possibility of you cheating?
The definition i provided *included history* which requires common ancestors.
But keep going with the claim that blacks cease to be black if they are raised in a different culture and become that culture ethnicity.
This is just too much now. Don't you have any work to do?
"Shared history" is one reason to be called an ethnicity
So is "shared culture"
Nowhere have I ever said or even intimated or hinted that black people cease to be black.
This is just too much now. Don't you have any work to do?
"Shared history" is one reason to be called an ethnicity
So is "shared culture"
Nowhere have I ever said that black people cease to be black.
You did, the moment sharing a culture is ethnicity, a black can become of japanese, han, madagascar etc ethnicity just by being adopted and raised there.
Instead, normal people don't consider ethnicity something that can change during your lifetime in any way, rather something that is 100% inherited
Commas don't mean OR lol
Commas don't always mean or, but the word "or" does actually mean or:
Here's a screen shot from the source you cited as a definition of ethnicity with the relevant part highlighted in easy-to-read yellow for you.
Hope that helps you.
You did, the moment sharing a culture is ethnicity, a black can become of japanese, han, madagascar etc ethnicity just by being adopted and raised there.
Instead, normal people don't consider ethnicity something that can change during your lifetime in any way, rather something that is 100% inherited
But there is cultural inheritance as well as genetic inheritance. And as jalf mentioned, but I'm not sure you quite took on board, genetic variation between individuals of the same ethnic group tends to be bigger than the variation between ethnic groups. The variations that we most notice and totemise, mainly to do with appearance, account for a tiny proportion of the genome.
Commas don't always mean or, but the word "or" does actually mean or:Here's a screen shot from the source you cited as a definition of ethnicity with the relevant part highlighted in easy-to-read yellow for you. Hope that helps you.
At this point I am not sure you are an English speaker.
That OR is because ethnicity is used both in "han is an ethnicity" and "Xi ethnicity is han"
I always get a chuckle when Luciom opines on how English works.
Well I know for a fact you aren't.
If that's not clear enough for you then the wiki definition I linked to should be:
An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.
Because you pooh-poohed citing wiki, here's the definition from britannica.com:
A social group or category of the population that, in a larger society, is set apart and bound together by common ties of race, language, nationality, or culture.
and yet another, from dictionary.com:
An ethnic group; a social group that shares a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, or the like
In all cases I've bolded the word "or" that you seem to struggle with so much.
Feel free to find a reliable source that defines ethnicity the way you want.
People really love ignoring words
I think that everyone alive today is related to everyone that was alive 2,000 years ago. Other than that, I don't much care about this silly argument. I just find it amusing when you comment on others grasp of English.
We can still make fun of sky daddy, right guys? You can call me an antisemite and an islamaphobe and a christanphobe or whatever it's called if you like. I'm an equal opportunity sky daddy hater.
I think that everyone alive today is related to everyone that was alive 2,000 years ago. Other than that, I don't much care about this silly argument. I just find it amusing when you comment on others grasp of English.
Not using the one drop rule here, but yes let's disregard any quantitative approach to anything what could go wrong
I was just tonight arguing with a friend about the definition of a sandwich. It came down to me saying that it's not something precise, with some fuzziness around the edges, and he was saying that it was precisely defined. I expected us to debate about edge cases, not about whether the edge cases were debatable.
Anyway, he was obviously wrong in his approach. As are some of you.
Pizza is not just an open-faced sandwich. You can draw the line exactly there. Once you start baking the dough with the rest of it then it no longer becomes a sandwich. Otherwise yes you're correct that there can be plenty of room for latitude.
