Israel/Palestine thread

Now back to actual, real things that are happening.

In before GS says Rafah massacre of people in tents is all good because from tents you can make ropes and from ropes you can hang people, therefore they're all Hamas anyway, kill them all.

I don't need ethnicity (in my sense) to debate, but using your definition, keep in mind i am in Italy. We have 8% foreign born in Italy and they are mostly poor. The normal conversation when meeting someone new is actually which neighborhood of my city they grew up in.

Ie upper middle class italians don't meet non italians on a daily basis to chat about stuff, they are just not in their circle of acquaintances that can become friends. They don't work with them as peers, they don't send kids in the same schools, they don't eat in the same restaurants and so on. So those encounters are infinitely more rare than say in London or Paris, even in Milan or Bologna. Just an example approx 100% of italian physicians are italians. almost 100% of professionals (accountants, financial advisors, lawyers, notaries and so on) are italian.

Only if you work in hospitality you meet immigrants regularly (say you sell wine to restaurants) as peers.

There are non-italians in my circle but they are mostly well integrated east-europeans, so we just don't debate ukraine, moldova, russia with them , not the same we would debate among us. They have a right to care about those topics infinitely more than us (some of them have actual family members on one side of the conflict, some on the other one) so we defer to that and that's it.

Also keep in mind italian isn't like english. It's almost impossible to speak it well enough to cover your country of origin (if foreign born and moved after 8-10y old), and almost every country has a different italian accent. When it's not countries it's well defined area (hard to be sure after 2 min if someone is from Morocco or Tunisia, but it's very very very very easy to tell they are northern africans for example, just by listening). It's actually very easy to know where they are from inside italy as well (but i think this is true in the UK as well), even decades after they moved.

So you basically pick up culture/country of origin within 1-2 minutes and you simply avoid debating stuff that is "hot" in that country unless they start talking about it first, and when they do you stay far less aggressive (italians do tend to debate very aggressively even in chitchat situations) than you would among italians because they have a right to care about it much more than we do.

I don't discuss french colonialism with northern africans, ukraine war with moldovans and so on (unless they start etc).

Now, back to actual real things so jalfrzi doesn’t need to address the fact that he’s been proven wrong. Again.

Also, this isn’t good. This is extremely bad. Bc unlike you, I don’t want people to die.

Jailfrezi keeps editing stuff to (somehow) make himself look even more ridiculous.

I get it, you’ve been made to look like a fool time and again. So throw ridiculous accusations at others, it’s a good strategy.

Yet you're a very vocal supporter of everything Israel is doing. Having your cake and eating it.

From what i read, rafah offensive is going even better than i hoped for Israel. After moving civilians to safety they are closing in several stockpiles of hamas weapons, and several hiding spots of hamas personnel as well, and collateral damage casualties are basically 0 this time.

This is probably why hamas will start to kill palestinians very soon, if they didn't already, and try to blame Israel for that.

pretty sure he doesn't support settlements in the WB

Show me where I said I support everything Israel is doing. I’ll wait.

Jakfrezi doesn’t care. He just says random stuff and then edits it shortly afterwards.

This isn't about the WB ldo.

“You’re a very vocal supporter of EVERYTHING Israel is doing.”

“Pretty sure he ain’t a supporter of (insert something Israel is doing)”

“Lolz, this isn’t about that.”

Show me where you've criticised Israel's acts in Gaza and I'll apologise for mischaracterising you as a genocide-supporter, gs. I'm not waiting.

pretty sure forum rules as explained by CN don't allow you to characterize someone as genocide supporter if they just agree with Israel actions in Gaza

Makes a claim. Gets called out on it.

Then turns it around and says I have to prove that I’m not what he says I am.

I’d say making you look like a fool is getting old, but just because it’s easy doesn’t make it any less entertaining.

This. Let’s see what happens.

For the record, I want this guy to stay. I think he should continue to post/look like a fool.

You seem very hurt by the daddy thing, gs. That wasn't my intention. You posting falsehoods about my home town was extremely annoying.

Let's also see what happens to the guy who will only debate people if they're of the "correct" ethnicity, when he defines ethnicity as gene-based. LOL

(Prediction: nothing at all)

This may shock you, but I’m not hurt at all. Some random guy calling me a liar on a message board doesn’t make my dads family any less British.

My claim wasn’t outlandish. Like, a lot of Jews in America are from England. So you instantly just calling me a liar for this is, well, a strategy I guess…

Also, not posting falsehoods at all. Relaying what I’ve been told. And posted an article about the rise in anti-Semitism.

for the zillionth time, stop all the personal attacks especially when they are made by making up things. It just happened, it's in the above posts, yet you make up the meaning of words as used (i asked you for your ethnicity based on YOUR definition). And i never used "correct" ethnicity, i just something very obvious: depending on someone culture, debates about some topics can change a lot

There's only one way to interpret this, which you then underscore by saying it's ethnicity-based.

Yeah. You can tell all the Hamas supporting govts are getting very upset. Egypt especially is getting really upset. They really are worrying this is the end of the extremely lucrative smuggling operations going on, mostly paid for by our tax dollars.

I suspect the Biden administration was getting a ton of pressure from Egypt to force Israel not to go into Rafah, which is why this took so long. But hats off to Biden for realizing this never gets better, and it only gets worse, if we acquiesce to the terrorist supporters. And for finally realizing all the negotiations were just complete bad faith; and the terror pipeline needed to be shut down regardless of the outrage of Hamas supporters.

Remember the simpler times when you were either a nazi or an antisemite which somehow were two different buckets in this thread and all ethnicities welcome to either side.
You guys missing Victor yet?

Not only were they 2 different buckets; but the so called Nazis were mostly Jews and the people calling them Nazis were sympathetic towards Islamists that literally do Nazi salutes because they are Nazi salutes and use Star of David rugs as foot mats. Definitely much simpler times.