Israel/Palestine thread
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In the middle of a war (or whatever you want to call what is going on in the West Bank) you are always going to find plenty of anecdotes of bad behavior on both sides. Both sides would be very lucky if the worse thing that happened was tying of a wounded enemy combatant to the hood of a vehicle (presumably as some sort of humiliation) while transporting them for medical care.
This would be an extremely mild incident on the Ukraine/Russia front that wouldn't even be newsworthy. If the Israeli soldiers broke protocol, they should be punished accordingly. Not sure there is anything of significance to glean from this, other than feeding the outrage machine.
the source is Dr Munir Al Barsh, Director General of the Ministry of Health in Gaza, relaying what he heard from multiple survivors (aka not Hamas otherwise they would not have been released) to Al Jazeera. theres a video in that tweet and dozen of other twitter accounts.
fwiw I am not sure what that video that you linked is showing.
Is showing jews acting silly. It's "another reason to hate Israel" according to that amazing "suppressed news" twitter feed that you linked to say israel used rods or dogs or whatever other bs propaganda they spread
USA is not going to let Israel fend for itself. USA also clearly does not want an all out war with Lebanon. These are not at all contradictory.
Israel hasn't responded to Lebanon yet. They are in a poor position to do so, and I'm pretty sure Israel realizes a mediocre response is worse than no response at all. A number of airstrikes isn't going to cut it either. They are best off not entering Lebanon, but I doubt that will happen.
They don't think the iron dome can handle a full fledged drone strike attack so yes they may not do anything at all for a while
USA is not going to let Israel fend for itself. USA also clearly does not want an all out war with Lebanon. These are not at all contradictory.
Israel hasn't responded to Lebanon yet. They are in a poor position to do so, and I'm pretty sure Israel realizes a mediocre response is worse than no response at all. A number of airstrikes isn't going to cut it either. They are best off not entering Lebanon, but I doubt that will happen.
They have had to evacuate the entirety of Northern Israel for months. Obviously they have to do something about this, and the fact it is taking so long is evidence the options aren't great. But they are still going to have to do something eventually, even if it is choosing the perceived least worse option.
Oh and i think pepsi is on some boycott list for supporting israel or something
They have had to evacuate the entirety of Northern Israel for months. Obviously they have to do something about this, and the fact it is taking so long is evidence the options aren't great. But they are still going to have to do something eventually, even if it is choosing the perceived least worse option.
60000 Israelis are displaced in the north
About 150k displaced throughout Israel
ZERO INTERNATIONAL OUTRAGE
and even less outrage than zero from the left of this thread
My understanding is the Israeli right was fast losing its appeal pre 10/7, because they weren't doing a great job running the country and Netanyahu was under investigation for corruption.
Seems what has happened the last few months is Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, Iran giving the Israeli right a lifeline, for their own reasons.
If oct 7 didn't happen a new election would have occurred already and bibi probably would have lost
In the middle of a war (or whatever you want to call what is going on in the West Bank) you are always going to find plenty of anecdotes of bad behavior on both sides. Both sides would be very lucky if the worse thing that happened was tying of a wounded enemy combatant to the hood of a vehicle (presumably as some sort of humiliation) while transporting them for medical care.
This would be an extremely mild incident on the Ukraine/Russia front that wouldn't even be newsworthy. If the Israeli
The problem is that IDF soldiers acting unprofessionally is a recurring theme and Hamas's main success so far has been in painting IDF as unprofessional and genocidal. Ukraine has very few instances of such behavior despite the conflict being far larger, and Ukraine being forced into mobilizing civilians. IDF is supposed to be a professional military.
Is showing jews acting silly. It's "another reason to hate Israel" according to that amazing "suppressed news" twitter feed that you linked to say israel used rods or dogs or whatever other bs propaganda they spread
again, SuppressedNews did not say anything about dogs or rods.
Dr Munir Al Barsha, Director General of the Ministry of Health in Gaza, relayed to Al Jazeera what patient survivors told him.
and the rods story was from the NYT which quoted UNRWA.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/world...
https://archive.ph/w2xuE
"Doing something" could also mean pulling out of Rafah so Hezbollah has nowhere close to a legitimate cause to do what they're doing. I agree that Hezbollah is getting a free pass here, but that's largely due to Israel's abysmal performance with Gaza, and Israel was warned of these types of outcomes yet they insisted on doing things their way.
There is no war scenario with Hezbollah which doesn't see Israel losing a lot.
In the middle of a war (or whatever you want to call what is going on in the West Bank) you are always going to find plenty of anecdotes of bad behavior on both sides. Both sides would be very lucky if the worse thing that happened was tying of a wounded enemy combatant to the hood of a vehicle (presumably as some sort of humiliation) while transporting them for medical care.
This would be an extremely mild incident on the Ukraine/Russia front that wouldn't even be newsworthy. If the Israeli
you presume it was for humiliation. Id presume it was as a human shield.
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-80...
Great article
I hope you all read it
But the end if the article sums up the situation well
At last week’s G7 Summit, French President Emmanuel Macron announced that Israel, the US, and France had agreed in principle to set up a trilateral group to try to calm Israel’s border with Lebanon. After the Eurosatory ban was announced, however, Defense Minister Yoav Gallant blasted France for displaying bias against Israel and declared that Israel would not participate in the French-led efforts.
Like Macron, US President Joe Biden and Blinken have also proven to be unpredictable in their position on Israel, one moment offering open support, and the next delaying the supply of weapons and trying to restrict IDF actions. This week’s decision by the Biden administration to add members of Tzav 9 to the steadily growing list of Israelis being sanctioned in the US did nothing to improve trust.
The group protests (and peacefully tries to block ) convoys of “humanitarian aid” to Gaza which, as members note, usually ends up in Hamas’s hands, literally fueling the conflict rather than ending it.
The message that Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and their Iranian backers are receiving is that terrorism pays. No matter what atrocity they carry out, the “enlightened” world will ensure that the Jewish state gets equal blame.
In the perennially funny movie Miss Congeniality, hapless FBI agent Gracie Hart (Sandra Bullock) goes undercover to thwart an attack at the Miss America beauty pageant. She ends up delivering an impromptu lesson on the importance of self-defense. Wishing for world peace is not enough – you must be able to defend yourself.
"Doing something" could also mean pulling out of Rafah so Hezbollah has nowhere close to a legitimate cause to do what they're doing. I agree that Hezbollah is getting a free pass here, but that's largely due to Israel's abysmal performance with Gaza, and Israel was warned of these types of outcomes yet they insisted on doing things their way.
There is no war scenario with Hezbollah which doesn't see Israel losing a lot.
Lol
Well saying it's "completely" due to Israel's abysmal performance doesn't seem fair.
"Doing something" could also mean pulling out of Rafah so Hezbollah has nowhere close to a legitimate cause to do what they're doing. I agree that Hezbollah is getting a free pass here, but that's largely due to Israel's abysmal performance with Gaza, and Israel was warned of these types of outcomes yet they insisted on doing things their way.
There is no war scenario with Hezbollah which doesn't see Israel losing a lot.
Bgp
If Israel withdraws from rafah with hamas still in power and the tunnel network still in place, is that a good conclusion for you?
There is no way Israel goes to full war with Lebanon until after the us election imo
Bgp
If Israel withdraws from rafah with hamas still in power and the tunnel network still in place, is that a good conclusion for you?
how close are they to destroying the tunnels? the ForeignAffairs article I linked earlier claimed that 80% remained.
they still havent found Sinwar, the POWs, large weapon caches, or command centers.
Bgp
If Israel withdraws from rafah with hamas still in power and the tunnel network still in place, is that a good conclusion for you?
No.
The framing of your question is the problem. Israel is in a situation with no "good" conclusions. There's varying degrees of bad conclusions and Israel should choose the least bad one. Israel will eventually withdraw from Rafah with Hamas still in power and the tunnel network still in place. They can choose to withdraw in the less bad way, or in the very bad way.
how close are they to destroying the tunnels? the ForeignAffairs article I linked earlier claimed that 80% remained.
they still havent found Sinwar, the POWs, large weapon caches, or command centers.
I have no idea
But if they withdrew now all of these peopled died in vain and hamas would be emboldened to do it again and Israel would be less safe than they were on October the 6th
That's not an acceptable outcome
No.
The framing of your question is the problem. Israel is in a situation with no "good" conclusions. There's varying degrees of bad conclusions and Israel should choose the least bad one. Israel will eventually withdraw from Rafah with Hamas still in power and the tunnel network still in place. They can choose to withdraw in the less bad way, or in the very bad way.
Israel at minimum needs to continue to destroy the tunnel network
They aren't going to just leave
They can continue to occupy for the next several years if you think that's better than being on offense
But leaving now would be immoral
It's not going to happen
how close are they to destroying the tunnels? the ForeignAffairs article I linked earlier claimed that 80% remained.
they still havent found Sinwar, the POWs, large weapon caches, or command centers.
There are no pows because it wasn't a war yet. There are hostages
Most that are alive are likely in civilian homes
So yes it is difficult
Victor you are impressive with how you use language as propoganda
I mean that sincerely. It's a legit skill
In the West Bank are Palestinians ambushing military convoys? I haven't heard there is anything like that going on to the point there would even be a need. And this isn't even addressing that I dont think a wounded militant tied to the hood of a truck would be a deterrent anyways.
It is also possible the seats of the trucks were all full and that was the most expedient way to transport the wounded militant.
I am pretty sure if militants had the capacity to take out an entire convoy truck, losing one militant (who would be a Shahid and go to heaven anyways) would be perfectly acceptable.
The United Nations General Assembly passed more resolutions critical of Israel than against all other nations combined in 2022, contributing to what observers call an ongoing lopsided focus on the Jewish state at the world body.
The General Assembly approved 15 anti-Israel resolutions last year, versus 13 resolutions criticizing other countries, according to a tally by the pro-Israel monitoring group UN Watch.
Russia was the focus of six resolutions condemning its invasion of Ukraine. North Korea,
Why do you think a bias means you can ignore all other evidence ?
