Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.

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I wouldn't be getting my big bully friend around with his impressive array of armaments, invading part of my neighbour's house for myself and friends and then claim victimhood when he and his friends start attacking me and my family. That's what I would not do.


by 72off k

well that's a lie or an invention in your orange-shaped head, but since it's been determined that the only systematic sexual and gender-based crimes were committed by the iof ("either ordered or condoned"), i guess you're arguing that israel is fair game for being genocided? not sure i agree, but interesting

i think you are the last remaining rape denier itt since jalfrezi left the party a couple weeks ago

i expect he'll be along any moment to correct your wrongness


by BOIDS k

i think you are the last remaining rape denier itt since jalfrezi left the party a couple weeks ago

i expect he'll be along any moment to correct your wrongness

A total lie. I'm here now correcting your wrongness, something I find myself doing quite often.


Boids, go take a break until midnight ET.


72off, you get a break too for commenting on Boid’s appearance. Out, both of you.


by BOIDS k

i think you are the last remaining rape denier itt since jalfrezi left the party a couple weeks ago

i expect he'll be along any moment to correct your wrongness

well the UN report literally said that they could not find any rape


by Victor k

well the UN report literally said that they could not find any rape

That's funny, because when you were on vacation we all read the UN report which specifically said the Palestinians raped Israelis.


by jalfrezi k

I don't believe that all Gazans are good or that all Israelis are bad.

True, didn't you say 99% earlier?


by Victor k

well the UN report literally said that they could not find any rape

any mass ordered rape

by chillrob k

That's funny, because when you were on vacation we all read the UN report which specifically said the Palestinians raped Israelis.

but not en mass, or ordered.


by chillrob k

That's funny, because when you were on vacation we all read the UN report which specifically said the Palestinians raped Israelis.


https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/file...


by Bluegrassplayer k

It looks like they transported the guy to safety. This is clearly a hit piece trying to make the IDF look bad.


by mongidig k

It looks like they transported the guy to safety. This is clearly a hit piece trying to make the IDF look bad.

And people itt lap it up


by jalfrezi k

Indeed.

We could probably use a children's death toll counter

It's a shame Hamas started this war.


by metsandfinsfan k

And people itt lap it up

Mets, your low content and personal attack posts today addressing both individuals and the thread at large are far over the line. Please take a 24 hour break from this thread. You may post again at 10:45 PM Eastern Time tomorrow. Thank you.


by mongidig k

It looks like they transported the guy to safety. This is clearly a hit piece trying to make the IDF look bad.

bruv, they drove past 3 ambulances. you think the hood of a military vehicle in 90 degree weather is safer than an ambulance?


I don't know this organization, but it doesn't say it is the UN. The document from the UN that was posted here says there was rape.


by PointlessWords k

any mass ordered rape

but not en mass, or ordered.

True and true, but that wasn't claimed by either Victor or me.


by chillrob k

I don't know this organization, but it doesn't say it is the UN. The document from the UN that was posted here says there was rape.

I literally got to it from the link in the Luciom post

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/...


if you got a link, feel free to share it. but I am pretty sure that is the "detailed" UN report.


FWIW the bolded is very similar to the first steps used to build a foundation to charge Israel with genocide.

by Bluegrassplayer k

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/...

This has plenty on Israeli war crimes as well and I suggest reading the entire article. I am highlighting the following because it pertains to a conversation that we just had ITT, a conversation which has been repeated several times despite it being extremely straightforward.


shift those goalposts


Can you explain the shifting in goalposts that you think you are seeing?


no not for you. you are right and I am wrong. not really trying to get banned again. you win.


Then you should put me on ignore. I would have put you on ignore over a year ago if I was able to.


by Victor k

I literally got to it from the link in the Luciom post

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/...

if you got a link, feel free to share it. but I am pretty sure that is the "detailed" UN report.

Yeah, I don't know how you got to that document, but the link that Luciom gave in the post you just shared says this:

"Members of Palestinian armed groups, in some instances aided by Palestinians in civilian clothing, deliberately killed, injured, tortured, took hostages, including children, and committed sexual and gender-based violence against civilians and against members of the Israeli Security Forces, some of whom were hors de combat and should not have been targeted.

The Commission identified patterns indicative of sexual violence and concluded that these were not isolated incidents but perpetrated in similar ways in several locations primarily against Israeli women."

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-relea...t...

So, they committed sexual violence against civilians, and they were not isolated incidences.

Also, of course, they deliberately killed, injured, tortured, took hostages, including children.


I screenshotted exactly where I got the link from. its in the link that Luciom posted. like, this should not be so difficult.

you are quoting the press release. I am quoting the actual document. the detailed document. the press release links to the actual detailed document in the highlighted place of my screenshot.

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