$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition

The answer is always ego.

Doodoo is logically contradictory all the time.

They aren't crushing because they aren't thinking critically about spots. They are just seeing what is overfolded and underfolded and playing cookie cutter lines that their coaches told them to play.

As far as the disrespect, he came into my PGC and said I was sad for playing 1/2 live and buying in for $100 and that I was playing with a bunch of idiots. I had never said anything bad about him prior to him saying that about me. And then he called me busto lol.

I see this a lot though, I mind my own business in my PGC and people come in and talk bad about me but I'm the one being disrespectful?

That's pretty backwards, I would never go into someone else's PGC and talk bad about them because it's just so out of line and rude.

The PGC is for the person who made the PGC to document their results and learn, it's basically like going into someone's house and talking bad about them while you are a guest.

Honestly, I'm not addressing anyone else that is negative and disparaging in this thread because it's not worth it but we are friends on discord so I wanted to address you to tell you my point of view.

I get what you're saying and some people can get ool in the blogs. That said, this thread isn't like your house or even your own blog or journal. It's a public thread on a large public forum. It is what it is. If you just want a place to document your success and learn with carefully controlled interactions, pg+c is probably not the place.

Also, you might be right that most MDA regs are weak cookie-cutter players, but again it's a very weird look to come in here with some 10nl sample and talk down to other players. You have good winrate, interesting ideas, and post funny hands, but nobody here will care or respect a microstakes winrate much regardless of how impressive it is. Micro reg with huge ego is tale as old as time on these forums.

I'm very interested in your thoughts on live poker, I hope you put more hours in. I'm trying to be open minded to more unconventional strategies and maybe limping more when I go back to playing live. I agree with DDP that the conventional wisdom of live pros can probably be improved upon

I'm going to be putting in more hours as I did get a little bit of an itch after playing 8 hours the other day.

I'll give you a HH from the other day. I'm in the CO, HJ limps I overlimp with 73hh, BTN limps, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop comes A62r (1 heart) checks around. Turn is 5h giving me FD and gutshot. SB bets like 1/2 pot I call everyone else folds.

River is another Ace. He goes half pot again, I raise 3x he folds.

This is an online play but I'm pretty sure it works live too, basically his sizing is too small so it is unlikely he has trips.

If I gave this hand to your run of the mill live pro they would probably fold river because of bad blockers. But that
doesn't matter because the sizing tell data point is higher EV than the 1-2bb theoretical EV loss of blocking his folding
range.

Rofl, you said the bots were easily exploitable and insinuated a bunch of the high stakes regs were terrible for not crushing them like you. Instead of backing your claims and printing $$$$ at any meaningful stake you decided it was the perfect time to do a 10nl bankroll challenge. Like i said, you just have a huge ego and not much to back it up with (yet) you like to talk down to others while at the same time completely contradicting yourself.

If we node lock a solver to give our opponents a large limping range, does it respond by then over limping a lot? (Idk if this can be done because I only use gtow so I only have a vague idea of how node locking works)

Ponty why does it say you're banned lol

Ha, I think some mod put it as under-title as a troll

people who said iggy felt really sketchy and may be no longer beatable were all nl500+ regs though

nl200 and below will prob always be beatable for a lot of bbs because its just too small stakes, always tons of recs and bad regs even with bots sprinkled in

Doodoo is only showing 100k hands so his wr might be off. I would still stick with most regs saying that ignition is unplayable 😀.

I don't really know if nodelocking a solver preflop is possible, that would be a good question to ask someone like Scylla or Punter in the software forum.

My point is there were still bots at 200nl, I remember them playing a bunch of unorthodox lines vs me.

I'm highly skeptical that 500nl isn't beatable on ignition, we will see though.

Node-locking preflop is easy. The problem is that it assumes our opponent will play GTO postflop, which a limp fish obviously won't do.

How often do you actually isolate in live poker though? My sample size is mainly TCH Dallas, but you can iso 10x and still go to the flop 4 handed.

Yeah, unfortunately this isn't what he was saying. He said there were bots at 200 and the words used to describe them were "crushable", and "easily exploited". He then speculated about how bad higher stake regs must be, before posting a 20k hand sample winning at 200nl and then moving to 10nl.

to be fair they were very exploitable for a while, I feel like they aren't anymore though, or at the very least if they are its much more subtle than it used to be, impossible to adjust in anon games

That doesn't fit into his narrative.

Just like buying into a live 1/2 game with $100 or moving from 200nl to 5nl doesn't fit into the huge ego narrative.

But people are irrational.

To me this is highly valid. In some games, iso-raising to go HU or even 3 way can be difficult. I wouldn't go as far to say players are inelastic to sizing, but some don't seem to notice the difference between 4x and 8x. Players will overcall 3bets/squeezes regularly too. In these situations a limping strategy, with the option of limp-raising, or even limp-calling then 4 betting a squeeze, should be considered. I don't believe the composition of a limp-raising range is that controversial (i.e., should be much like a linear 3bet range, with the PFR's 4bet range a key factor, as well as short-stack shoving ranges).

They basically had one very exploitable tendency in river squeeze spots but were absolutely destroying the regs/games in the mean time. Like how many of these spots were regs really able to exploit? the odd river squeeze spot.

Don't fall in to the DooDoo trap of muddying the water by acknowledging they were exploitable in this one instance. If they were so easily exploited then every smart regs winrate would have sky rocketed. Instead almost every high stakes reg has got bent over by them and win-rates plummeted across the board. Saying they were exploitable due to this one isolated pattern of play is disingenuous in the extreme. But I agree, they are far more subtle now.

Again, we had this discussion in the Bodog thread, you post logical fallacies all the time.

You called a bunch of v good high stake players idiots/weak for not crushing the bots like you did in your 20k hand sample at 200nl. It's beyond stupid. When it was pointed out to you that if you truly believed the nonsense you were spouting, you could easily grind out 6 figure months at 2knl, you said no and instead moved down to 10nl for a bankroll challenge. The reason why you didn't move up stakes is obvious, but you still claim to be correct about the bots/your skill level to exploit them. So yes, it's 100% unwarranted ego. You talk about always taking the most +ev approach.... except when you completely ignore it and supposedly give up about $1mill in ev to challenge yourself at 10nl. Some other poster said it best when he said you are suffering from extreme ssnl disease.

Speaking of stupid ev talk, no online midstakes reg is ever going to a casino to play $200nl live with the intention to buy in for 50bbs to try and maximise ev. Am sure you will try and caveat it away and come up with some hyper specific scenario where this strategy is optimal but realistically it just isn't. Fish buy in for 100bbs+ all the time and what midstakes reg is ever playing 200nl live to try and crank out an extra $2/hr ev? Again, it's just nonsense.

Speaking of midstakes, You talk all the time about "what midstakes regs would do" in X spots, being condescending to some of the replies you get, while I don't think you've ever even posted any results at midstakes? (unless your are trying to argue 200nl is midstakes?)

This isn't about stuff fitting/not fitting my narrative. Your ego is clearly enormous, you talk extremely confidently and incorrectly about a bunch of topics. When people who have vastly more knowledge and experience than you (or I) suggest that you may be incorrect you just try to belittle or undermine them, while posting 20k hand samples or 10nl HH's. Rather than doing what you believe you can do and posting $50k months at 2knl or whatever.

200nl has always been and will always be "midstakes".
<25 =micro
50-100=low
200-600=mid
1k-2k=high
5k+=nosebleed

Historically speaking midstakes has started from 400/500nl. 200nl has been the top "smallstakes" stake. To my memory, this has been ~community consensus since my join date, though I've seen occasional discussions about it over the years. That said, recently I have seen more people refer to 200nl as midstakes.

This thread truly keeps giving :p

@DDP - you're totally right that there are some posters in pg+c and in your threads on 2p2 generally who come in too disrespectfully, don't want to defend that at all. People should be treated with respect in their own threads, of course.

I do realize this is a BR challenge. The thing is, most people who do (popular) br challenges are proven highstakes winners who are showing the community that micros are still crushable, and people want to see how they approach it. In your case, you aren't a proven highstakes winner doing this, you're a guy who's made a bunch of big claims with no results and then stepped down to microstakes. You simply do not have the credibility established to really take you seriously.

I've enjoyed the success of the brc so far, but there's no 10nl chart you can post that will suddenly legitimize your claims about 2knl (or 200nl!) regs, winrates, strategy, etc. I am rooting for you to post some crushing graph at 200nl or 500nl and show us something worthwhile. But playing micros + big opinions + no results is obviously a tale as old as time on 2p2 and doing a brc comes off more as an evasion rather than as a justification for that. I don't think there's much you can say or do about this other than eventually show some crushing winrates over sample at higher stakes. In the context of a brc this just takes time, but you'll probably face this kind of criticism at least until then.

heh, to me i always refered to
<50 = micro
100-200 = low
400-1k = mid
2k-10k = high
20k+ = nosebleed

Yeh I don't get why DDP has a microstakes bankroll challenge - you'd make a higher hourly at McDonalds and crushing these stakes proves absolutely nothing. My guess is he doesn't have much money and wants to protect his image/ego so he's avoiding 200nl+. I do like his mindset/arrogance though