$25----->25k Bankroll Challenge on Ignition
I am going to be starting with $25 in my Ignition Account and try to spin it up to $25,000.
I will start at 5nl since it is the lowest stake on the site and be playing Ignition Reg tables only.
I will be updating every 5k hands with my progress.
My expectation for each limit is as follows:
Expected Winrates for each limit:
5NL: 30bb/100
10NL: 25bb/100
25NL: 20bb/100
50NL: 15bb/100
100NL: 12bb/100
200NL: 10bb/100
Variance will be a decent factor in a lot of these winrates but these are just ball park numbers. Once I hit 25k I will take a 10buyin shot at 500nl! As far as moving up I'll move up whenever I feel like it, but probably after winning 30-40 buyins at the limit.
There will be no cherry picking here since you can't cherry pick a Bankroll Challenge. Wish me luck (or not) and follow along in this thread.
Yeh I don't get why DDP has a microstakes bankroll challenge - you'd make a higher hourly at McDonalds and crushing these stakes proves absolutely nothing. My guess is he doesn't have much money and wants to protect his image/ego so he's avoiding 200nl+. I do like his mindset/arrogance though
Wouldn't someone that cares about their image not let people know they are playing micros (regardless of the actual reason)?
I mean, he could just not post at all if protecting his image meant that much.
Speaking of midstakes, You talk all the time about "what midstakes regs would do" in X spots, being condescending to some of the replies you get, while I don't think you've ever even posted any results at midstakes? (unless your are trying to argue 200nl is midstakes?)
I'm not arguing, it's a fact. It literally says 200nl is midstakes when you filter for stakes online.
low stakes up to 100nl
midstakes starts at 200nl
Again, you get proven incorrect when anyone actually fact checks your nonsense.
Wouldn't someone that cares about their image not let people know they are playing micros (regardless of the actual reason)?
I mean, he could just not post at all if protecting his image meant that much.
Yeah there is so much bad information coming from a lot of people but it is highly entertaining.
I sub to know how the challenge go
I know this thread is getting derailed by the gossip queens but I'm still going to be posting strategy/updates.
This is a classic jam spot OTT vs a fish (we know he is a fish since he donked flop).
There are 2 FDs/multiple 2 pair/sets/Tx hands that will call the 8x pot jam and fish don't understand relative hand strength values, only absolute hand strength values. It sucks we lost but we made some EV money.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software
NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HERO ($11.26) [VPIP: 29.4% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.3% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37.8% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 13.6% | Hands: 347659]
BTN ($10) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 16.7% | AGG: 66.7% | Hands: 6]
SB ($18.69) [VPIP: 83.3% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 10% | Flop Agg: 20% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 0% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 100% | Hands: 6]
BB ($17.72) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 100% | Hands: 6]
HJ ($11.25) [VPIP: 16.7% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 6]
Dealt to Hero: 6♠ A♠
HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.25, BTN Folds, SB Calls $0.20, BB Folds
Hero SPR on Flop: [18.35 effective]
Flop ($0.60): 9♦ 8♥ 7♦
SB Bets $0.57 (Rem. Stack: $17.87), HERO Calls $0.57 (Rem. Stack: $10.44)
Turn ($1.74): 9♦ 8♥ 7♦ 5♥
SB Checks, HERO Bets $10.44 (allin), SB Calls $10.44 (Rem. Stack: $7.43)
River ($22.62): 9♦ 8♥ 7♦ 5♥ 9♥
Spoiler
SB shows: 9♣ 8♦
SB wins: $21.49
Drivehud 2 for fish, lets derail topic more
In this case it's obviously likely to be a fish, but an interesting side note is that SB vs IP PFR is supposed to donk a lot more than BB vs IP PFR, because SB calling range is stronger than BB.
BB vs CO is donking like 4% aggregate in GTO and close to 0% on this board, but SB vs CO is donking like 16% aggregate and ~65% on this board.
SB vs BTN is doing closer to 25% donking.
This should be your value line as a default, vanilla regs won't understand.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software
NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HERO ($9.66) [VPIP: 29.4% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.3% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37.9% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60% | 4Bet: 13.6% | Hands: 347773]
BB ($10.25) [VPIP: 7.7% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 13]
UTG ($12.65) [VPIP: 50% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 45.5% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 66.7% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 12]
HJ ($10.81) [VPIP: 23.1% | PFR: 7.7% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 13]
CO ($11.35) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 1]
BTN ($10.45) [VPIP: 30.8% | PFR: 30.8% | AGG: 60% | Hands: 13]
Dealt to Hero: Q♣ A♠
UTG Raises To $0.25, HJ Folds, CO Folds, BTN Folds, HERO Raises To $1.20, BB Folds, UTG Calls $0.95
Hero SPR on Flop: [3.25 effective]
Flop ($2.60): 8♠ 2♣ A♥
HERO Bets $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $8.16), UTG Calls $0.30 (Rem. Stack: $11.15)
Turn ($3.20): 8♠ 2♣ A♥ 7♦
HERO Checks, UTG Checks
River ($3.20): 8♠ 2♣ A♥ 7♦ 6♦
HERO Checks, UTG Bets $1.52 (Rem. Stack: $9.63), HERO Raises To $8.16 (allin), UTG Calls $6.64 (Rem. Stack: $2.99)
Spoiler
UTG shows: A♦ T♦
HERO wins: $18.55
In this case it's obviously likely to be a fish, but an interesting side note is that SB vs IP PFR is supposed to donk a lot more than BB vs IP PFR, because SB calling range is stronger than BB.
BB vs CO is donking like 4% aggregate in GTO and close to 0% on this board, but SB vs CO is donking like 16% aggregate and ~65% on this board.
SB vs BTN is doing closer to 25% donking.
I didn't know that, thank you.
It does make sense that SB get's more donking though since the range is stronger. My problem is that this will not be relevant unless you are playing high stakes since it's esoteric knowledge.
I'm not arguing, it's a fact. It literally says 200nl is midstakes when you filter for stakes online.
low stakes up to 100nl
midstakes starts at 200nl
Again, you get proven incorrect when anyone actually fact checks your nonsense.
Eh, it doesn't really matter what one site lists their stakes at. The lingo used by regs for at least the past 17 years has always been that 50 is micros, 100 and 200 are ssnl. Different sites might list their stakes differently but these are the terms the regs use.
Eh, it doesn't really matter what one site lists their stakes at. The lingo used by regs for at least the past 17 years has always been that 50 is micros, 100 and 200 are ssnl. Different sites might list their stakes differently but these are the terms the regs use.
Its not one site it's all of them.
It doesn't matter what a poker forum thinks is X stake, it matters where you actually play poker and how you search for the games.
If you think 200nl is ssnl that means you think 1knl is midstakes?
No one thinks 1knl is midstakes.
Wouldn't someone that cares about their image not let people know they are playing micros (regardless of the actual reason)?
I mean, he could just not post at all if protecting his image meant that much.
He wants recognition of his skill/intelligence, and is also building a coaching business.
Its not one site it's all of them.
It doesn't matter what a poker forum thinks is X stake, it matters where you actually play poker and how you search for the games.
If you think 200nl is ssnl that means you think 1knl is midstakes?
No one thinks 1knl is midstakes.
It absolutely isnt all sites.
Winamax for example lists nl20 - nl50 as SSNL (lol), nl100 - nl400 as MSNL and nl600+ as HSNL.
888poker lists nl20 - nl100 as SSNL (lol again) and nl200 - nl500 as MSNL.
I've played a ton of sites over the years and while they definitely call stakes whatever they please, regs on 2p2 don't. The terms have been unchanged for a long ass time by now.
Like imagine playing nl20 and calling yourself an SSNL reg. I would bet 90% of regs would immediately point out you are using the wrong term.
It absolutely isnt all sites.
Winamax for example lists nl20 - nl50 as SSNL (lol), nl100 - nl400 as MSNL and nl600+ as HSNL.
888poker lists nl20 - nl100 as SSNL (lol again) and nl200 - nl500 as MSNL.
I've played a ton of sites over the years and while they definitely call stakes whatever they please, regs on 2p2 don't. The terms have been unchanged for a long ass time by now.
Like imagine playing nl20 and calling yourself an SSNL reg. I would bet 90% of regs would immediately point out you are usin
I'm talking about major sites like ACR and Pokerstars not some little niche site.
If you think 200nl is small stakes then you think 500nl/1knl is midstakes.
Go make a poll and you will be proven wrong. The majority of people think 200nl is midstakes and 1knl is highstakes.
It absolutely isnt all sites.
Winamax for example lists nl20 - nl50 as SSNL (lol), nl100 - nl400 as MSNL and nl600+ as HSNL.
888poker lists nl20 - nl100 as SSNL (lol again) and nl200 - nl500 as MSNL.
I've played a ton of sites over the years and while they definitely call stakes whatever they please, regs on 2p2 don't. The terms have been unchanged for a long ass time by now.
Like imagine playing nl20 and calling yourself an SSNL reg. I would bet 90% of regs would immediately point out you are usin
200nl is midstakes, always has been and always will be. Anyone arguing otherwise is entitled to be wrong.
people who said iggy felt really sketchy and may be no longer beatable were all nl500+ regs though
nl200 and below will prob always be beatable for a lot of bbs because its just too small stakes, always tons of recs and bad regs even with bots sprinkled in
I left iggy about a year ago on a 40 bi downswing. About 15% of the hands in that sample came from 200nl, and I had a double digit winnrate in the those hands.
I didnÂ’t spend a ton of time reviewing the 200nl hands, but that stake felt very similar to the way all midstakes games were playing for the previous few years. There was a period where $500nl was the worst stake and $1k and 2k were still really good. Sometime around the beginning of last year there was a major change in game quality at high stakes. I wasnÂ’t even seeing the obvious river collusion spots. I just saw guys playing exceptionally well but “randomly” spazzing disproportionately when I was at the bottom of range. Hands reminded me of live games where 72 game is on. 60-80 hands of solver like play, but the one time they show up with a hand out of range construction they play it perfect against my exact hand. Bit pointless to speculate how much was run bad vs rta and/or card sharing at this point, but an old 200nl sample is not an indication of ability to beat the high stakes cheaters. The stuff posted publicly looks obvious because those are easier to explain to players who donÂ’t have a high level understanding of how games normally play.
This should be your value line as a default, vanilla regs won't understand.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software
NL Holdem 0.1(BB)
HERO ($9.66) [VPIP: 29.4% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 36.6% | Flop Agg: 41.3% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37.9% | 3Bet: 11.5% | Fold to 3Bet: 60% | 4Bet: 13.6% | Hands: 347773]
BB ($10.25) [VPIP: 7.7% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 13]
UTG ($12.65)
pretty sick hand, I never took this line before w just one pair, even w standard 3 street hands like AK/88, do regs reliably reopen the river here enough for this to overperform triple barrel? from my database regs reopen delayed float ip 39% in 3bet pots, vs fish i usually take this line with value tho without a timing tell cuz fish blasts
Regs used to categorize limits as a way to mark significant skill jumps. This is less relevant nowadays and depend more on the player.
I'm not arguing, it's a fact. It literally says 200nl is midstakes when you filter for stakes online.
low stakes up to 100nl
midstakes starts at 200nl
Again, you get proven incorrect when anyone actually fact checks your nonsense.
What a site says is just wording, it has no meaning unless the actual jump between 100nl and 200nl is more significant than the jump from 200 to 500 etc, and the ones who can tell this are the regs.
I'm talking about major sites like ACR and Pokerstars not some little niche site.
If you think 200nl is small stakes then you think 500nl/1knl is midstakes.
Go make a poll and you will be proven wrong. The majority of people think 200nl is midstakes and 1knl is highstakes.
I mean, I was/am literally the small stakes forum mod. It's a relatively minor point but 200nl was always classified on sites as small stakes at their inception and small stakes on 2+2, so a poll probably wouldn't help you here. Calmdown basically nailed what 2+2 (and poker players in general) have always treated it as. I think some sites changed their interpretation of midstakes when they combined 400nl and 600nl in to just 500nl, they just bumped up 200nl to add another stake to the filter. But is whatever, the description doesn't really matter too much, we've clarified you mean 200nl and not higher. The rest of my points still stand though.
I mean, I was/am literally the small stakes forum mod. It's a relatively minor point but 200nl was always classified on sites as small stakes at their inception and small stakes on 2+2, so a poll probably wouldn't help you here. Calmdown basically nailed what 2+2 (and poker players in general) have always treated it as. I think some sites changed their interpretation of midstakes when they combined 400nl and 600nl in to just 500nl, they just bumped up 200nl to add another stake to the filter. Bu
Are you really throwing titles around? This is the type of guy I thought you were so thank you for confirming my suspicions.
I have posted over 15k posts in the ssnl forum over the past 6 years and I've never seen you post or reply to any hand histories so just stop with the ceremony. I've literally never even seen you make one post.
You are an absentee landlord, you don't get to claim that forum. The people that contribute to that forum get to claim that forum.
What you don't get is that 2p2 is a great forum because of the people that contribute to the forum with poker advice, not because your name has a different color in it.
But back to my original point.
Go make a poll on this subject and and we can let the public decide. 200nl is midstakes.
pretty sick hand, I never took this line before w just one pair, even w standard 3 street hands like AK/88, do regs reliably reopen the river here enough for this to overperform triple barrel? from my database regs reopen delayed float ip 39% in 3bet pots, vs fish i usually take this line with value tho without a timing tell cuz fish blasts
Yeah it's a good line to stack weaker Ax. You incentivize them to bluff more too by the very small cbet.
From Jonathan Little's "Mastering Small Stakes"
From my personal experience in live games, if our goal is to maximize profit and we have an edge over our competition - we should want to cover our opponents rather than buying in short. As an example for $50/$100 live games where I deem myself to have a significant edge over the regs I will look to cover them as not doing so is leaving $ on the table.
Given that you are beating 200NL online I would give you the benefit of the doubt DooDoo that you have a significant technical skill edge over $1/$2 live “regs”, if your intent is to maximize your edge buying in short is not the play. If you lack confidence that you do not have a skill advantage over these guys I would seriously challenge if you are adapting well to the live environment.
I personally find the claim that short-buying into a live $1-$2 game would be optimal rather than covering everyone absolutely ludicrous, and believe other HS regs would agree. If you are interested DooDoo, I would be open to a prop bet for any amount you choose and even give you odds that if we polled HS regs, they would choose covering all opponents in a live 1-2 game vs short-buying to maximize EV. However, given your history of losing a backerÂ’s stake $ on sports betting I would insist on using an escrow. Let me know.
