2024 World Series of Poker May 28th to July 17th ***No Spoilers***

2024 World Series of Poker May 28th to July 17th ***No Spoilers***

The 2024 WSOP will take place at Horseshoe Las Vegas and Paris Las Vegas from May 28 to July 17, 2024, with the Main Event running from July 3 to July 17. The Main Event – poker’s undisputed freezeout world championship – will have four starting days, beginning on Wednesday, July 3. Players may also register directly on Day 2.

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15 December 2023 at 05:21 PM
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by wheatrich k

Different audience is why you can get away with talking a bit like the latter but also that latter point is just a nice way of saying he completely missed the flop but he thinks the other guy might've too.

No, not at all.

CO opens 2bb, folds to BB who defends, 5.5bb in pot. Flop comes out. BB checks, CO bets 1.5bb.

It is going to depend on flop texture, but in a vacuum BB is going to have to continue with something on the order of 80% of their range. How should BB pick their continues?

If you work with solvers, you will find that after pairs, draws, and overcards, those backdoor draws comprise a large fraction of BB's continuing range. If stack depth is deeper, some of those backdoor draws, particularly those with both backdoor flush draws and backdoor straight draws, show up in BB's check-raising range.

Those backdoor draws matter, and change what it means to have "hit" or "missed" the flop.


by wheatrich k

the tanking when you're going to fold for no reason I don't know what to do about this but it's gotta stop.

by Rmbxr9 k

World Series of payjump tanking
So poor

As I have said before, the incentives to do this are baked into the poker tournament ruleset. The only way to get rid of pay jump tanking is to get rid of pay jumps


by Brussels Sprout k

There's a guy who's been near the top of the leaderboard for the past few days, Charles Russell. Pokernews and Hendon Mob list him as Irish.

I have my suspicions though (I'm Irish).

Firstly his Hendon Mob gives a residence of "Edenburough, Ireland" which is a place that literally does not exist in Ireland. It does though sound like a very badly spelt Edinburgh, which of course is in Scotland.

Furthermore today's table draw has his nationality listed as United Kingdom.

He didn't feature in Pok

Believe they have referred to him as Scottish on the stream numerous times.


by rickroll k

i think the people who criticize norman chad and lon mceachern lack proper perspective

back in the day, they were really flying blind, taking a largely unknown product and hoping it would find an audience and it did

lon and norm were incredibly good at narrating those highlight reel montages to make it more interesting and accessible to the general audience

it's unfair to judge them for doing live stuff not for the general public on espn, but instead for a niche of highly informed people on a subsc

I have no particular beef with McEachern, but Chad's commentary is objectively very bad, quite apart from his not understanding NLHE.

I have been watching through old ESPN main event broadcasts on PokerGo (interrupted by this year's WSOP coverage, of course, to say nothing of actually being there for two weeks), and I am currently getting towards the end of the 2012 ME. That was the year that Gaelle Baumann was an early chip leader and Elizabeth Hille also made a very deep run. Chad treated both of them terribly, being unable to resist making waitress jokes about Hille, and inventing out of thin air a romance between Baumann and another player at her table -- in effect, mocking them on national television for being women. In 2012.

Chad's commentary, simply put, is awful. It appalls me that people like Joe Stapleton have taken him as a model to be imitated.


by AlanBostick k

As I have said before, the incentives to do this are baked into the poker tournament ruleset. The only way to get rid of pay jump tanking is to get rid of pay jumps

When I said that, the guy had basically zero chance of missing the pay jump and there was still more than one away from it.

Later on was someone trying to avoid the last BB at the end of the night. preflop shot clocks when it's under 90 left? idk

edit--every other competition has a penalty of some sort for that so they gotta come up with something so it stops


by ProffesionalMalaka k

Beautiful

What tournament is this from?


by Rawlz517 k

You're not wrong, but players still need to follow the action. It doesn't help that the players are instructed to keep their cards on the RFID reader which looks to be about an inch from the rail so their stack has to go on either side of it.

So stack them to the right, so the players who haven't acted yet can still see them. That is one of the things that Montoya, for all his faults, has been doing right.


Chad’s humor is doing strange bits that he continues. But there’s plenty of people who don’t find it funny or just don’t get that it’s a joke. I remember watching the main event when it was on ESPN with friends who were new or casual to poker and I would often have to explain Norman’s off the wall comments or simply tell them it was a joke.

Like yesterday he was doing it with Esfandiari’s friend who was at the feature, continuously bringing up that the guy was single and acting like he was being a matchmaker for him.

I’m sure if you’re making a once in a lifetime run and get TV time you wouldn’t want an announcer to just make a gag out of you.


by DogFace k

Believe they have referred to him as Scottish on the stream numerous times.

Yeah, they often get things wrong on the WSOP records.
I was down as being from the US for a couple of years. Had to correct it myself at the Total Rewards desk


by AlanBostick k

As I have said before, the incentives to do this are baked into the poker tournament ruleset. The only way to get rid of pay jump tanking is to get rid of pay jumps

Do you think there would be more or less tanking if instead of a big $20,000 jump every 9 spots there was gradual $2,000 jumps for every spot at the same point in the tournament?


by brianr k

I will admit he played well though. Just needs to learn to keep his trap shut.

He's not the only one.


by AlanBostick k

So stack them to the right, so the players who haven't acted yet can still see them. That is one of the things that Montoya, for all his faults, has been doing right.

Does this not create the same problem for the players on her right?


Song turned out to not be some live mtt superpro megacrusher as people was talking about. Great results, big winner for sure, but there probably is a reason why he is not grinding high rollers.

HJ open, CO 3bet, HJ 4bet jam 40bb with A3s.
This probably is not a thing in theory with A3s and he did not have to lose table lead. But Lena900 has to overfold to the jam because he has big edge over field so cant risk future game with a marginal flip? So maybe it could be a decent exploit.

Then after that goes on a tilt and blasts 3 street bluff with 0 equity to go almost broke. I mean his combo is a decent xr on the flop, but his table image is not getting any overfolds at this point and he just minclicks not sure if that is a thing. Then doesnt improve on turn and goes on. Blasts river with 0 blockers.

Well those two hands he just ran into nuts and they might be ok, probably too agressive tho. But then last hand of the night. Why exploit fold vs Foxen with a pure call combo? Exploit fold vs underbluffing nit or fish, or if you have to risk big stack shove and lose future game skill edge EV. But making exploit fold to leave 7bb for day 3 you cant do **** with that stack instead of 4x that to have playable stack with call.

Brian Kim probably one of the strongest players left? And there is that kid who won 3M live pokerstars tournament last year, no one talking about him yet?


Yes, but they, at least, will not have acted out of turn.


by Utah_CUtiger k

Pretty obvious feature table today. Rast, Astedt and the two women remaining all at the same table.

This is the best final table we could get so of course they're all at the same one now sheesh.

seems like a brutal draw for shundan, all the stacks and top players and also right next to her


by AlanBostick k

As I have said before, the incentives to do this are baked into the poker tournament ruleset. The only way to get rid of pay jump tanking is to get rid of pay jumps

I have an idea to avoid pay jump staling... 10,000 entrant max field. Each table has 10 players. Win your table and move on to the next round . Win a total of 4 tables and you're world champion .

You could arrange the prizes so there's no incentives to stall for pay jumps.


by AlanBostick k

As I have said before, the incentives to do this are baked into the poker tournament ruleset. The only way to get rid of pay jump tanking is to get rid of pay jumps

The other more obvious way to get rid of pay jump tanking is to have stricter time limits


by wheatrich k

This is the best final table we could get so of course they're all at the same one now sheesh.

seems like a brutal draw for shundan, all the stacks and top players and also right next to her

It would be cool if we had a 2012 situation with both women making final two tables and pushing for the final one. They have the chip position to do so, let's see how Day 7 plays for each of them.


On Demand is working for me on Roku, but the video is janky.


by wheatrich k

This is the best final table we could get so of course they're all at the same one now sheesh.

seems like a brutal draw for shundan, all the stacks and top players and also right next to her

Indeed. Make it a tough choice for the other two features though as they are all kinda similar with the prime names not at them.

If it was up to me I would go with....

Secondary table: Chip leader Davis, Serock, Hernandez (was kind of a talker/character last night)

Tertiary table: Nawa, Arthur Morris, Latinois (3rd largest stack who has gotten zero screen time so far), Russell table.


by AlanBostick k

Yes, but they, at least, will not have acted out of turn.

I see what you're saying, makes sense.


Still not working on my Roku. At least there's a highlight reel up on YouTube. I guess I'll just be writing off 6B. Only saw till 1:00 last night.


by brianr k

I will admit he played well though. Just needs to learn to keep his trap shut.

Even more annoying was the way he was snapping his chips together in a constant, loud manner right into his mic. I don't normal chip shuffling, but that was annoying as hell.


by suzzer99 k

What tournament is this from?

Event #92: $50,000 High Roller No-Limit Hold'em


Yeah Montoya was not like a massive villain or bad guy, just kind of annoying and fun to root against. But it's good to see a 22 year old make it this far, need more young people in the game. Seems to be fewer young guns these days. He reminded me of that Kevin Maahs character at the final table a few years ago, except he was actually worse with intentional tanking with one table left.

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