Do you believe in God?
Tell me people do you believe in God?
Free will do not explain when awful things happens to people.
Natural disaster killing thousands of people.
Virus .
Diseases
Etc .
And what do u learn from these when u end up dead ?
Certainly not becoming a better human , you’re dead.
I'll write something later for your argument but it is very flawed. Honestly there's nothing wrong with being an atheist if and only if you are focused on morality and ethics. If you aren't, then you fall into nihilism and your only escape is basically drugs and sex.
I found it much easier to be moral and focused on ethics when I was an atheist since I never really thought about other people going to hell as some sort of "oh they'll get theres just wait and see!"
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But wouldn’t an all-knowing God understand the chaos and evil that such a thing would cause? Wouldn’t a loving God strive to prevent such chaos and evil. You still can’t have all three IMO. Either God doesn’t know what will happen, hence not all-knowing, God can’t stop it from happening, hence not all powerful or God knows the suffering His actions will cause, has the capability to prevent it and chooses to allow it anyway, hence not loving, at least IMO. I’ve heard the argument that some amount
See Book of Job.
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Christianity offers a specific story in which restoration and redemption are only accessed through the son. The alternative is a cruel, amoral, godless, Darwinian world.
You might think, “The Darwinian view of the world appears to be true,” and this is right. The Christian story doesn’t deny the Darwinian story but is exapted onto it, offering a lifeline.
“Well, there shouldn’t need to be a lifeline story. God should’ve never put us in a Darwinian world.” -says the atheist who continues to endure the Darwinian world while cutting himself off from the (potential) lifeline.
Now, all these Christians who are supposedly in the lifeline story can be easily observed as still in the Darwinian story. If you don’t think you can do better in navigating the lifeline story, then it’s understandable to not even try.
Personally, I couldn’t just cope in the Darwinian world and not try.
Christianity offers a specific story in which restoration and redemption are only accessed through the son. The alternative is a cruel, amoral, godless, Darwinian world.
You might think, “The Darwinian view of the world appears to be true,” and this is right. The Christian story doesn’t deny the Darwinian story but is exapted onto it, offering a lifeline.
“Well, there shouldn’t need to be a lifeline story. God should’ve never put us in a Darwinian world.”
Dumb question .
If I believe in another religion and other gods.
I am condemn right ?
not just by simply being atheist but just believing in thousands other gods ( with good morals since it comes from gods as well?)
I would still be screwed right ?
So seem darwinism is just an excuse not really a cause of immorality .
Anything coming from other gods would be immoral too right ?
Ps: Darwinism focus on the premise that only the strongest and best survives.
I wonder how can that be immoral when aiming at excellence.
Dumb question .
If I believe in another religion and other gods.
I am condemn right ?
not just by simply being atheist but just believing in thousands other gods ( with good morals since it comes from gods as well?)
I would still be screwed right ?
So seem darwinism is just an excuse not really a cause of immorality .
Anything coming from other gods would be immoral too right ?
Ps: Darwinism focus on the premise that only the strongest and best survives.
I wonder how can that be immoral when aiming at
You will be condemned in that you won’t make any progress. The central idea of Christianity is that progress is only made by unifying with your soul first. Christ is the only one who asserts this idea, that you can only know the father through the son.
The Darwinian story is unconscious which is why I said it’s amoral. However, from the view of the soul, it’s cruel and immoral.
A purely Darwinian animal doesn’t aim at excellence; only a soul does this.
You will be condemned in that you won’t make any progress. The central idea of Christianity is that progress is only made by unifying with your soul first. Christ is the only one who asserts this idea, that you can only know the father through the son.
The Darwinian story is unconscious which is why I said it’s amoral. However, from the view of the soul, it’s cruel and immoral.
A purely Darwinian animal doesn’t aim at excellence; only a soul does this.
If it’s only the fittest that survives I don’t see how they are not excellent .
So only Christian’s can make progress ?
It strange stance since the bible seem not promote changes .
How can u progress without change ?
ok craig here is one for you.
the bible was written 2000 years ago right ?
And u say all people are condemn if they dont follow the rules of christians and believe in god and jesus right ?
So what happens to all those souls prior to jesus and not being jews ?
they all condemn ?
They never had even a chance.
Did the soul not exist prior to 2,000 years ago? Jesus represents the soul, which is the son of God. He showed humanity what the story of the soul looks like. Still, the soul has been with man in this world since the beginning.
You atheists need to stop assuming things and carefully read what I am posting. If you are so worried about others being condemned to death, then you will clear the path for them as I am doing.
I think what people who are atheists have correctly identified is the absurdity of the ontology of God within Christianity. God incaranate as a monkey is not only impossible but also a monstrous abomination.
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I think what people who are atheists have correctly identified is the absurdity of the ontology of God within Christianity. God incaranate as a monkey is not only impossible but also a monstrous abomination.
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God is not diminished to unify his story with humanity. Rather, humanity is to be restored to its proper place.
Did the soul not exist prior to 2,000 years ago? Jesus represents the soul, which is the son of God. He showed humanity what the story of the soul looks like. Still, the soul has been with man in this world since the beginning.
You atheists need to stop assuming things and carefully read what I am posting. If you are so worried about others being condemned to death, then you will clear the path for them as I am doing.
Ok Jesus teached it great , but he wasn’t there to show it prior to 2000 years ago .
So what happens for all the others prior to Jesus teaching , having no choice to believe in other fairy tale religion ?
They all condemn right ?
Ok Jesus teached it great , but he wasn’t there to show it prior to 2000 years ago .
So what happens for all the others prior to Jesus teaching , having no choice to believe in other fairy tale religion ?
They all condemn right ?
No one was there to show Jesus either but he found the way. In the end, none are left behind. It isn’t one chance only.
That is what prophets are for, the claim that God became a human being is absurd and disgusting and has obvious origins in Greek polytheism.
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When two stories merge, they don’t just unify at the merge point but all the way back through time. God became human because God is human from the beginning.
Again, this is panentheistic/pantheistic and polytheistic contamination of monotheism. This is essentially idolatry.
If you believe this you do not believe in God, you believe in Spinoza's God as the sum of all realities which is not the God of Jesus as Jesus was Jewish.
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Again, this is pantheistic and polytheistic contamination of monotheism. This is essentially idolatry.
If you believe this you do not believe in God, you believe in Spinoza's God as the sum of all realities which is not the God of Jesus as Jesus was Jewish.
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God divides himself but God is one. A label or concept cannot contain God. Don’t Jews understand this?
God divides himself but God is one. A label or concept cannot contain God. Don’t Jews understand this?
I recommend reading Ibn Sina's Proof of the Truthful for the argument that God it's intrinsically one (Uncreated Beyond Perfect Unity) and that it is impossible for God to divide himself.
That may sound absurd but there's numerous things that God simply cannot do and the easiest way to prove this is to state the obvious:
God cannot fail.
God, by the ontology of monotheism is both transcendent and immanent. God can easily manipulate anything in our Universe but that does not mean God is literally in the Universe. This is because God does not exist in time and space. Humans do.
It is literally impossible for God to become a human being and that's good as it would be disgusting and an abomination. God has no wants and no needs and did not need to "rest" or any of the other absurd stuff in the Bible that has its origins in the polytheistic history of Judaism or Greek mythology.
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I recommend reading Ibn Sina's Proof of the Truthful for the argument that God it's intrinsically one (Uncreated Beyond Perfect Unity) and that it is impossible for God to divide himself.
That may sound absurd but there's numerous things that God simply cannot do and the easiest way to prove this is to state the obvious:
God cannot fail.
God, by the ontology of monotheism is both transcendent and immanent. God can easily manipulate anything in our Universe but that does not mean God is literally in
You resist the idea that God can be in a fallen state. It seems to be aesthetically offensive to you. Paradox and seeming contradiction have that affect. Hence, the necessity of faith.
‘God Is’ -> feminine
‘God Becomes’ -> masculine
It’s not one or the other but both. The fall, the masculine, brings death explicitly so it is resisted. On the other hand, death is more concealed in the feminine.
This is why I've called you an idolator, you do not want God but want something else which is definitely not God.
There are beings within monotheism which claim to have all the powers of God but do exist in a fallen state. That is your god.
At best you have been deceived, at worst you have chosen something to worship as God which is obviously not God.
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I don’t worship. I complete my mission.
I reject your deist god. You condemn humanity, your soul, and this world.
Not deism, simply not a devil worshipper.
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