The liberal media and the police Killing of Sonya Massey

yeah thanks

OP appears to remain convinced that he is right in his analysis despite multiple posters, including some from his side of the aisle, telling him he is dead wrong and why.

OP unnecessarily includes "liberal media" in the thread title, presumably because he already knows that public opinion is not sympathetic to his argument and blames this on "liberals".

OP selectively responds to certain counterarguments and ignores arguments that he is unable to respond to, while continuing to push his narrative. The arguments he does respond to, he pretends to be incredulous and to not understand what is being said.

I stand by my assessment that OPs MO is standard for a right winger - stubborn, always right about everything, and any time he is proven wrong it's because "teh librulz" don't get "it" and are everything that's wrong with the world.

what am i not able to respond to? you act like the lady not being in the kitchen disproves my argument. The ****in kitchens 5 feet away.

What the **** is wrong with you

Edit: Nvm don’t respond I won’t see it

There are plenty of points in the thread you ignored. I'm not your remedial literacy tutor, if you want to find them, go back and read it again.

Just like you just responded to my post where multiple points were made, and your response was a partial one to one of my points, and almost a non sequitur at that.

This post is bad faith IMO. The cop clearly shot her because he thought she was preparing to throw a pot of boiling water on him. You interpret Massey's actions and words as indicating she was not planning on throwing boiling water on him, but that was clearly not his interpretation of her actions.

I dont know the exact laws in the jurisdiction in question; but I suspect they are written such a way that it is not legal for a police officer to verbally escalate a situation completely out of control, give confusing commands, threaten to shoot a civilian when they are passively aggressively attempting to comply with confusing demands, and then when the situation is escalated way out of control kill said civilian when he interprets in the moment she is planning on throwing a pot of boiling water at him.

Then again, I have seen officers get off for killing someone when the perceived threat was much less, when the person killed was white. But the liberal establishment loves a good bad white cop/black victim narrative, so this obviously wont be quietly buried as it probably would be if the civilian was white.

Now the justice system will play out. He will be formally charged, given a court date, and a jury of his peers will determine if he is guilty or not.

That would explain a lot actually.

I think I did a pretty good job responding to just about every post. I ignored most of yours for good reason. What fact am I missing?

I'm arguing that the lady called the cops because she wanted to harm a cop and likely be killed in the process. She asked them to come in so that she could show them papers. They just wanted to leave initially but eventually do come in the house. You guys are stuck on the "she was scared and X happened" I'm stuck on the lady wanted to do Y and X happened. I'm suggesting the cop was scared and he tried to prevent her from doing what she did. What I consider to be damning evidence is the ladies last act is chucking a pot of water at the cop. All's i've gotten so far are "well they told her to go in the kitchen" as if that disproves that she was going to eventually make her way into the kitchen. I know it is a pretty awful thing to accuse somebody of. I think the events make it crystal clear. I know you guys are stuck on the "cops need to chill" argument. I think he was scared because he had a much better view than his bodycam. I am confident he will be released and will sue the liberal media outlets and get paid. We will see who is right.

nice lay up bro. you must kill at bball

Even if everything you said was true, I doubt this will happen. Once things get politicized like this, all bets are out the window IMO. Whoever is on the jury will feel tremendous pressure to give a guilty verdict, even if the evidence goes the other way. Because they know the liberal media and far left activists will put a target on their backs if it goes any other way. And this is even assuming they would go into the trial not already deciding the cop was guilty regardless of the evidence.

This is what freaked out the cop, he thought she was threatening him.

But she was clearly scared and crouched down behind the counter.

He could have easily taken a couple of steps back and tried to de-escalate.

a few of those, it seems

I'm not familiar with the case, so I'd also be curious to know where the "the lady called the cops because she wanted to harm a cop and likely be killed in the process" narrative originates. I can't see anything adduced ITT to that effect.

Guys she called about a non existent prowler, then when they were about to leave she lured them into staying by mentioning that the car wasn’t hers. Then she prolongs the interaction even longer by refusing lawful orders to give her drivers license. Remember the whole time, that pot is getting hotter and hotter and hotter. Boiling hot. She obviously just wanted to keep them long enough for the pot to reach scalding levels of hotness. This part of her plan succeeded and all that was left was for the cops to take the bait and tell her to turn the stove off. That part was chancy, but if it didn’t work that time she’d probably try again the next day.

Lady had a death wish.

All makes perfect sense. Not quite the criminal mastermind we all thought though, she could have boiled the water beforehand. And/or used oil instead, prison style.

Well, the whole "I rebuke you in the name of Jesus" line while holding a pot of hot water kind of supports this narrative. I think it is fair to assume someone willing to utter this while holding a pot of boiling water while a gun is being pointed at them is not going to possess a rationale theory of mind and we shouldn't expect to find rationale explanations for their behavior. And the fact this person is actually diagnosed with a mental disease further supports this.

Interesting how you are normally the first person to be critical of religious people, but it seems your critique and disdain is contingent on melanin concentration being below a certain threshold, and if above said threshold you quickly become agnostic.

I have to say, after reading the wiki article of what actually happened leading up to the video, Shttsweak's interpretation seems more plausible than just watching the purposefully truncated video clip suggests.

Well, I would have no idea what that line means, but Crossnerd explained it. Yes, I am antireligious and ultra critical of all things religion related, but I don't think I've ever advocated for executing religionists, so the hypocrisy in my position here is limited only by your imagination.

Lol making this about race. I didn't watch the video and had not heard of this case until this thread popped up, all I know about the race of the victim is what I've inferred from posts here.

Given Crossnerds clear biases the fact that you are comfortable with her clearly biased explanation again suggests your own biases are playing a role. I am pretty confident if the officer was a black female and the civilian was a white male and everything else went exactly the same, both you guys would have wildly different interpretations of what happened.

Race (and to a much lesser extent sex) is the only reason this is a national story and everyone has such strong opinions on it. And we all know it.

I edited my post above to add that I had no preconception about this case, and I have not seen the video.

Edit: you don't believe me, ok, Good For You.

The officer probably over-reacted and committed a crime. Maybe even murder. He'll get his day in court and hopefully get a fair trial (I am pessimistic, but we can hope).

But hand waiving away the threat from a clearly mentally ill person holding a pot of boiling water while uttering crazy religious **** is absurd, and is showing a lot of bias IMO.

If someone was coming at me with some boiling water I'd try to shoot them in the leg

"Waving", Kel. You know, the thing you do with your hands.

She could have had a gun in the oven mitts. Her original call to the police could have been a ruse to lure the cops into her house.