The liberal media and the police Killing of Sonya Massey
I didnt give much thought on the title but I wanted to see if people actually took the time to watch the police body cam footage. I mentioned the media because nobody seems to want to talk about the obvious. This cop is still locked up as far as i know and everyone seems to be villainizing him. I actually took the time to watch the video in slow motion and you can clearly see that the lady 100% intended on throwing boiling water on him. There is no dispute on that yet nobody wants to say it for fear of upsetting an all too familiar narrative. If you watch the video you will clearly see that the woman drops to floor holding only her oven mitts. The pot is sitting on the counter. The officers arm obstructs the bodycam up until the last second where you see the woman holding the pot and throwing it at the cop. I just dont understand how in the freeist country in the world not a peep is being mentioned about this. You can say well the cop should have dropped back or ran and thats a valid argument but what you dont do is pretend that this lady was innocent when it seems to be an instance of a very troubled lady choosing to die at the hands of a cop. I will try to link the video below if that is cool with mods. It's not graphic. It will be the last 5-6 seconds and you obviously need to watch it in slow motion. It is the bodycam of the cop who shoots her. You have to realize he is only about 5 feet from her and his arm blocks a good chunk of the crucial 5-6 seconds. He is lucky his arm didnt block the whole thing or he would be spending the rest of his life in prison.
Is it deadly? He's got a counter between them.
He steps back a few feet and he's nearly 100% safe
and can still kill her from there if she gets aggressive.
But I went on to evaluate the situation under the assumption she did throw the water. You didn't address the issue of mr. pile-o-skulls firing after the water hit the floor. And why were they even moving into range of someone with a pot of water instead of staying back? We've seen many cases of people holding officers at bay with some weapon. The officers instinctually take themselves out of range while positioning their gun to drop the person if they get into range. This cop was just getting c
I dont agree or disagree that the pot was empty, Full or half full in relation to when he fires. I'll leave that one to the experts. It's funny I'm asking you to view something that you havent agreed even happened and yet you assert his firing was after the pot you dont agree was thrown is empty of water. Do you not see how dicked up that is?
Is it deadly? He's got a counter between them.
He steps back a few feet and he's nearly 100% safe
and can still kill her from there if she gets aggressive.
I agree that he would survive.
I dont agree a few feet back = 100% safe because she does have the ability to come towards him. That is a very rationale expectation for someone who believes she intended on pouring water on him. I think we can agree that he did in fact think that. right?
I concede he could have just ran out of the house. He does have a partner in there, but I agree he could have just retreated.
I consider myself pro-police. I think they have an impossible job and are tossed into stressful situations on a daily basis. Some are life-or-death.
I generally stay out of the police discussions because of that, but I'll toss in my two cents since I watched the video.
This is pretty bad imo. I can't see how this is a justifiable shooting.
Not sure how any of this has anything to do with liberal media.
There's a counter between them.
She starts around the counter, he can shoot her in the face.
He could have de-escalated the situation, kept her alive and got her mental help.
Instead he moved closer, increasing the chances he could kill someone.
An old lady preparing tea or noodle call the police because she’s scared of an intruder of some kind .
Police find nothing .
She start resuming her stuff In the kitchen and a cop finally saw boiling water (which was there already for a long time…😉 , a very deadly cop killing weapon , that needs to be thrown, high distance , by an old lady vs an agile police officer in cloths who could easily back step 2 feet if he would see the water being thrown .
And that scene escalated as quick as a bullet fired .
Even I couldn’t understand the first time what exactly happen.
Being old she probably didn’t either …
It’s a facking joke .
She call police for helps and end up dead by them…
If a cop enters your house and points a gun at you, it's your responsibility to stand stock-still. If you flinch or move your arms out of surprise, they can put you in the dirt and its your fault.
There's a counter between them.
She starts around the counter, he can shoot her in the face.
He could have de-escalated the situation, kept her alive and got her mental help.
Instead he moved closer, increasing the chances he could kill someone.
that's fine if you think he should have backed up. I don't really see the counter (not sure what the proper term is) as being much of an obstacle though. If she does walk around the counter with the pot does he than have the right to shoot? or does he have to wait for her to throw it at him? I'm under the belief that he shot her after he watched her make a very deliberate attempt to throw a pot of boiling water at him. It's true we dont get to see most of it but we can deduce in the milliseconds of the video that she is likely in a crouched position and likely grabs the pot from the counter (which is as deliberate as walking towards him) in that crouched position. She than launches it like a shot-putter at him. To me that is much more deliberate than walking towards him with the pot. I get that many people think his pulling the gun makes any and all actions by her his fault. I don't think he made her do that. I think she wanted to do that. Why do i think that? I deduced that after seeing a pot sitting on a counter find its way above her head in two hands in a split second.
If a cop enters your house and points a gun at you, it's your responsibility to stand stock-still. If you flinch or move your arms out of surprise, they can put you in the dirt and its your fault.
it doesnt matter where it takes place. If a cop points a gun at you than you better do your best at following his/her orders. You can deviate from that and say "I didnt do nothing" or you can realize the cop is threatening to end your life if you dont COMPLY. Call an attorney after but dont scare a cop into shooting you because "you know your rights" or "you didnt do nothin".
it doesnt matter where it takes place. If a cop points a gun at you than you better do your best at following his/her orders. You can deviate from that and say "I didnt do knowing" or you can realize the cop is threatening to end your life if you dont COMPLY. Call an attorney after but dont scare a cop into shooting you because "you know your rights" or "you didnt do nothin".
Yeah it doesn't work that way my dude, the cops can't execute you simply for not immediately following directions. This woman wasn't remotely a threat to the officer.
smh, dudes really think interacting with the police should be a lethal game of Simon Says, it's wild how deep authoritarianism is in the US.
We can discuss the above or we can discuss why I believe it was her intentions all along. We shouldn't do both at the same time.
I specifically asked you a number of times why you believe it was her intention all along. The post you responded to was calling you out for not answering those posts. I don't know why you decided to answer a different question in this response, while acknowledging that you were answering a different question.
I would like to know, specifically, why you think the fact that she did X after a gun was pointed in her fact makes it obvious that she was going to do X before a gun was pointed in her face. You think this is so obvious you have called views to the contrary comical, amongst other things. This is the question I have been posing to you.
that's fine if you think he should have backed up. I don't really see the counter (not sure what the proper term is) as being much of an obstacle though. If she does walk around the counter with the pot does he than have the right to shoot? or does he have to wait for her to throw it at him? I'm under the belief that he shot her after he watched her make a very deliberate attempt to throw a pot of boiling water at him. It's true we dont get to see most of it but we can deduce in the milliseco
To the bolded:
So she threw water at him according to her plan, how bad were the cop's injuries?
I'm really worried now, did he survive the burns?
that's fine if you think he should have backed up. I don't really see the counter (not sure what the proper term is) as being much of an obstacle though. If she does walk around the counter with the pot does he than have the right to shoot? or does he have to wait for her to throw it at him? I'm under the belief that he shot her after he watched her make a very deliberate attempt to throw a pot of boiling water at him. It's true we dont get to see most of it but we can deduce in the milliseco
Simply unhinged. Even more unhinged when you realize she was going down AFTER he pulled the gun and he could've just taken 2 steps back and asked her to please come up again without the pot in her hand/come up and don't reach for it.
But you're right, you should deduce that she was suicidal and was in full rational-mode when a cop pulled a gun on her AFTER she called the police for help and all of this is ignoring the fact the cops were at her house the day before for ''mental health issues''. Somehow the 2 cops that showed up didn't know this.
Everybody involved deserves to be punished and the cop that shot her should rot in prison for the rest of his miserable life.
it doesnt matter where it takes place. If a cop points a gun at you than you better do your best at following his/her orders. You can deviate from that and say "I didnt do nothing" or you can realize the cop is threatening to end your life if you dont COMPLY. Call an attorney after but dont scare a cop into shooting you because "you know your rights" or "you didnt do nothin".
Even if we accept the bolded, it doesn't follow that the officer is always blameless in cases where the person doesn't follow instructions exactly or otherwise acts imprudently or erratically.
Trying to find the original unedited video on YouTube I came across a guy (with a lot of subscribers) who thinks, literally, that the victim's call to Jesus angered Satan and caused a demon to manifest in the cop. Even going to the spiritual realm to exonerate the cop is closer to the obvious truth than is this idea that the shooting was justified.
For the record is there anyone else in here that thinks she threw water at the cop? I'm still completely baffled at how Shtts swears up and down that he clearly sees this and can identify it with timestamps yet when the rest of us look at those timestamps we see the exact opposite. I feel like we're arguing with ChatGPT that has begun hallucinating answers it doesnt have a source for.
For the record is there anyone else in here that thinks she threw water at the cop? I'm still completely baffled at how Shtts swears up and down that he clearly sees this and can identify it with timestamps yet when the rest of us look at those timestamps we see the exact opposite. I feel like we're arguing with ChatGPT that has begun hallucinating answers it doesnt have a source for.
Nah, there's like a couple of frames where you can see it at 28:21. I had to watch it at 0.25x several times to see it. His contention that it's "clear as day" is of course bullshit.
FTR, I am talking about the video linked in OP. I have no idea whether it's edited or fake or other versions exist, that's the only one I watched.
From the bodycam video on youtube I think it's fairly clear that she grabbed the pot as she stood up and that it ended up in front of her. Not at all clear that she actually threw it though, as it seems to have ended up no distance from her based on where the water appears to be coming from. Even if she did attempt to throw it though that just provides further evidence that there was no real danger to the cop as she didn't manage to throw it more than a foot in front of her and seems more likely to have caused injury to herself than anyone else.
Also a helpful tip for everyone: You can go forward/back a single frame at a time on a youtube video by pressing . and , respectively. The still in the tweet that has been linked is definitively not a frame from the youtube video.
it doesnt matter where it takes place. If a cop points a gun at you than you better do your best at following his/her orders. You can deviate from that and say "I didnt do nothing" or you can realize the cop is threatening to end your life if you dont COMPLY. Call an attorney after but dont scare a cop into shooting you because "you know your rights" or "you didnt do nothin".
Notwithstanding what a horrible take this is, I think this needs to be split into two parts:
1). If you want to increase your chances of surviving this interaction/not being shot, should you follow this advice? Yes.
2). If you fail to follow this advice and the cop shoots you, does this absolve the cop of wrongdoing or make it a justifiable shooting? Absolutely not, and that's what's relevant here.
ETA: Just noticed, this is also pretty much what Rococo responded with.
Also a helpful tip for everyone: You can go forward/back a single frame at a time on a youtube video by pressing . and , respectively. The still in the tweet that has been linked is definitively not a frame from the youtube video.
Assuming this is true, I think it needs repeating: the video in the tweet linked ITT has been manipulated by having manufactured frame(s) inserted in order to support the cop's side of the case.
Willd, if you have the time, could you post a still of the non-existent frame? I would assume it's the most incriminating one with the pot lifted above her head? I did wonder how she managed to get the pot above her head at seemingly superhuman speed.
For the record is there anyone else in here that thinks she threw water at the cop? I'm still completely baffled at how Shtts swears up and down that he clearly sees this and can identify it with timestamps yet when the rest of us look at those timestamps we see the exact opposite. I feel like we're arguing with ChatGPT that has begun hallucinating answers it doesnt have a source for.
I don't think it is knowable due to the camera angles. Every consideration seems to indicate she didn't.
She hadn't shown any aggression in the whole encounter. Not to agree with the demon theory, but the cop seemed to get super agitated when she said she rebukes cop in the name of Jesus. At that point she had been doing nothing other than taking the cops suggestion to take the water off the stove. The first signaling of any perceived threat or any perceived anti-social behavior came way of the cop's sudden accusatory stance towards the victim, and that perception was apropos of nothing.
In the immediate aftermath of the shooting the shooter said to his partner "she came at me with boiling water". He did not indicate she had actually thrown the water. I think in that scenario you are going to come up with the most exculpatory line possible and that, had she thrown it, shooter would have said so.
BTW there has to be some chance this cop was just so dumb he didn't know what rebuke means and thought it could mean attack someone. After she said it he said "No you will not!" as of rebuking in the name of Jesus was illegal.
