Carnivore vs vegan diet
I, for one, prefer animal foods, but also eat some fruits like berries and apples, as well as bell peppers, and tomatoes from my pillow.
Get stomach ache from broccoli and sauerkraut, despite being german...
We'll sort this by PM, until the bet is settled.
Ah whatever...
To get to 3000 calories, you'd have to eat 11kg of raw broccoli, or 14kg of cooked broccoli.
Imagine doing that for two weeks...
Not being allowed any other food also means no salt can be added. You dont need to bo very bright to see that this is impossible to survive for two weeks, not to mention the delusional thought of being able to gain weight doing that.
It wont be me who is looking for the peanuts in my poop after the first week is over, that's for sure, lol.
It should be clear that you arent allowed to manipulate waterweight by drinking two gallons of water at the end of the propbet.
But at least you can play lowball limit poker heads up. I wonder how you would play on that diet, while i'm allowed to eat whatever i want to for those two weeks.
I've won over more than 10k hands vs fishosaurus rex / oogee (FT/PS) at FL 2-7 TD 3/6 to 10/20 heads up, but maybe i just ran hot...
I'll wait for your PM, and for October to come.
Why calories dont count (KenDBerryMD):
I miss eating the ice cream every night especially the salted caramel one but I was consuming actual sugar, grains, and lots of other chemicals and processed foods which are all horrible for our bodies. I was going down a few pounds, up one, down 3, up 4, very slowly for years of counting every carb I ate per day. When I went on pure carnivore it was like night and day with regards to weight loss but it included added energy and eventually feeling as good as I did when I was about 5 years old.
This was my whole point that I made in an earlier reply to a previous comment of yours - if you ate a lot of sugar and processed foods before switching, then how can you really know that it was carnivore specifically that made you feel better, instead of just no longer eating very badly?
It comes across to me as very results-oriented thinking, and this is the problem I have with people who overzealously push carnivore diets. Honestly not much different than vegans who try to do the same thing, cherry-picking studies and anecdotes in an effort to make a definitive argument that veganism is the optimal diet for human health, when there's still much we don't know about human physiology and nutrition (though I personally think the argument for carnivore diets being optimal for human health is stronger than vegan diets from that perspective)
Nothing wrong with sticking with something that works for you, and even sharing that with other people, but imo some people seem to get pretty arrogant about their beliefs when it comes to food
Arrogance is my copium, now that i dont drink or smoke anymore...
We all know sugar is bad for us. What many dont want to understand is that grains are bad, too. Especially whole grains contain lots of anti-nutrients, which block the absorption of vitamins and minerals, even in people that seem to be able to tolerate them without other issues.
Your body actually only gets to absorb a tiny amount of the nutrients that are in them, and the oxalates and lectines etc cause endless illnesses like depression, arthritis, kidney stones, and many many others.
If you want to eat rice, for example, white rice is way less bad for you than brown/natural rice that still contains all the anti-nutrients.
Grains also get massive amounts of glyphosate and other pesticides sprayed on them, not only during growth, but also an extra huge amount short before harvest, to make them last longer.
And if you compare a grain with let's say a bell pepper in a rain of pesticides, it's obvious which one is sucking it up completely, and where it mostly pearls off, and can partly be washed off before being eaten.
So why get so pissy and defensive that some people eat carnivore when it’s best for THEM?
Goodie for you that you have your diet sorted out. Now maybe stop getting so hostile toward others who are trying to sort their own diets out and make themselves healthier. None of which has any impact on your life yet you seem very pleased to bash them and belittle them.
First day on the internet?
If the carnivore diet isn't a cult, why do you promote it to people like people promote cults to people?
Why do I promote it? Because I'm all for helping and healing people. I've healed someone who was suffering seasonal allergies so bad he couldn't play poker anymore. Carnivore with added Quercetin daily cured it. I've also helped veterans who were in some horrible situations and programs get past their PTSD symptoms and off the benzo's and the Prazosin they were taking for nightmares. It melted symptoms away within days. That in itself if pretty huge, and it shows how much you were misinformed about what your government said you're supposed to eat which was for money and profits over health and well being.
Bro, people being "cured" of diabetes, high blood pressure, depression, etc., is because they dropped 100+ pounds. It turns out "healthy at any size" is bullshit. Go figure.
Melting off body fat comes from eating far less food than one needs to sustain their current weight. It doesn't matter what that food is. Now you could say that the satiety of certain foods can cause one to eat less food, but that's a different topic.
That's all totally inaccurate. You don't need to be overweight to be helped by eating this way. It's not the weight loss that cures people, it's the diet 100%.
You should try it, I'm sure it will cure whatever aggression or anger issued you might be holding onto deep inside psychologically (probably a hormone imbalance) which turns people into angry trolls.
This was my whole point that I made in an earlier reply to a previous comment of yours - if you ate a lot of sugar and processed foods before switching, then how can you really know that it was carnivore specifically that made you feel better, instead of just no longer eating very badly?
Ok that was my fault then, I thought I made it clear that I was on a "keto" diet for years prior to going pure carnivore.
In those years I ate less then 20 grams of carbs per day and not over eating calories. I was eating all the things that aren't allowed on Carnivore including seed oils, a lot of plant life, artificial sweeteners and diet sodas, mayo, processed foods (keto dinners, etc.), and other junk. I did lose weight but it was very slow and it never cured anxiety issues that I had since I was 18. The anxiety actually got a lot worse on Keto to the point where I couldn't sleep anymore due to nightmares (I was afraid to go to bed at night because of them, and I'm not afraid to admit that if it's gonna help others who might be in the situation I was in). In 3 or 4 days on pure carnivore I no longer had any symptoms. This isn't being "results oriented" since you can easily find tens of thousands of others who've benefited the same way.
So why get so pissy and defensive that some people eat carnivore when it’s best for THEM?
Goodie for you that you have your diet sorted out. Now maybe stop getting so hostile toward others who are trying to sort their own diets out and make themselves healthier. None of which has any impact on your life yet you seem very pleased to bash them and belittle them.
CSB, but I didn't realize I was getting pissy, defensive, and hostile. Pointing out false and absurd claims is not bashing or belittling people. If you think it is, then perhaps you don't have strong enough convictions in your diet, boyo.
Right. PM mark and once he lets me know he has received the escrow, I will escrow and he'll hold it until October.
Ah whatever...
Not being allowed any other food also means no salt can be added. You dont need to bo very bright to see that this is impossible to survive for two weeks, not to mention the delusional thought of being able to gain weight doing that.
Nice. I like how you're angleshooting by not allowing zero calorie electrolytes. I can angleshoot too, by not eating anything for 5 days prior and not drinking anything for the last 2 of those 5 days prior to arriving in Vegas.
It wont be me who is looking for the peanuts in my poop after the first week is over, that's for sure, lol.
Who's it gonna be, Donjonnie or whatever his name is?
It should be clear that you arent allowed to manipulate waterweight by drinking two gallons of water at the end of the propbet.
I see... so how much water am I allowed to drink during this?
You said broccoli and water, but I'm getting the sense you're going to try and shoot for zero water because broccoli contains 90% water, amirite?
But at least you can play lowball limit poker heads up. I wonder how you would play on that diet, while i'm allowed to eat whatever i want to for those two weeks.
Against a dude that's never played badugi, baduci, badaci before? Not really worried. Biggest risk would be falling into a coma from playing the stakes you suggested.
I've won over more than 10k hands vs fishosaurus rex / oogee (FT/PS) at FL 2-7 TD 3/6 to 10/20 heads up, but maybe i just ran hot...
Lol. Cool...?
And I'll wait for mark's PM.
Why do I promote it? Because I'm all for helping and healing people. I've healed someone who was suffering seasonal allergies so bad he couldn't play poker anymore. Carnivore with added Quercetin daily cured it. I've also helped veterans who were in some horrible situations and programs get past their PTSD symptoms and off the benzo's and the Prazosin they were taking for nightmares. It melted symptoms away within days. That in itself if pretty huge, and it shows how much you were misinformed ab
Sample size? Come on... the implication that war veterans can be healed in a few days of their battle with PTSD by simply eating nothing but meat is why I called it cultist mentality. Still not sure why you think I eat a government recommended diet.
That's all totally inaccurate. You don't need to be overweight to be helped by eating this way. It's not the weight loss that cures people, it's the diet 100%.
Need data.
You should try it, I'm sure it will cure whatever aggression or anger issued you might be holding onto deep inside psychologically (probably a hormone imbalance) which turns people into angry trolls.
So you want me to eat nothing but meat because you think I have anger issues?
Ok that was my fault then, I thought I made it clear that I was on a "keto" diet for years prior to going pure carnivore.
Yes, you ranted about keto because a package reads it's "keto friendly" but doesn't state that you can only eat 2 cookies to stay in ketosis, but then you clarified that you ate the SAD diet which was responsible for putting on the bulk of your weight.
In those years I ate less then 20 grams of carbs per day and not over eating calories. I was eating all the things that aren't allowed on Carnivore including seed oils, a lot of plant life, artificial sweeteners and diet sodas, mayo, processed foods (keto dinners, etc.), and other junk. I did lose weight but it was very slow and it never cured anxiety issues that I had since I was 18. The anxiety actually got a lot worse on Keto to the point where I couldn't sleep anymore due to nightmares (I wa
I don't recommend keto either. That's just like one step below carnie.
We do?
Maybe in the amounts you were consuming.
You dont know me. I got fat from drinking too much alcohol, not eating sugar.
Telling me right of the bat that you are going to angle shoot by dehydration, because you suddenly dont like the original "broccoli and water only" condition anymore. On top of that, you also want electrolyte drinks...
Just admit your stupidity, instead of pussing out like a blatant candy ass.
Land O Lakes ("Butter")... Just googled it.
A company that's selling disgusting, unhealthy canola oil, in a product that contains, and is bold enough to call itself butter...
Edit:
In the seeds and pesticides business, too.
Case closed. Obvious stupid shill is obvious.
Yeah, sure. You were eating a healthy diet except you were drinking 2000 calories of vodka each day.
Telling me right of the bat that you are going to angle shoot by dehydration, because you suddenly dont like the original "broccoli and water only" condition anymore. On top of that, you also want electrolyte drinks...
Just admit your stupidity, instead of pussing out like a blatant candy ass.
What's up? I said I could angleshoot, which is why I originally said you didn't think this through before issuing your challenge. Something like that should have been totally obvious if you had been feeding glucose to your brain instead of ketones.
Salt is not an electrolyte drink. Neither is pepper. Both make food taste better in some cases. But whatever, I'll do it without salt.
So okay... no salt on the broccoli. Let's figure the rest out:
How much water can be consumed each day?
Can the broccoli be cooked so long as it doesn't add any calories or sodium?
Can any 0 calorie seasonings be used so long as they also contain 0g of sodium?
CSB, but I didn't realize I was getting pissy, defensive, and hostile. Pointing out false and absurd claims is not bashing or belittling people. If you think it is, then perhaps you don't have strong enough convictions in your diet, boyo.
You have a remarkable lack of self-awareness. Telling people they belong to a cult because their choice of diet differs from your choice of diet is absolutely bashing and belittling. Literally every single post you’ve made has been insulting, belittling, and hostile.
To say someone pointing out your childish antics means they “don’t have enough convictions in your diet” just further exemplifies your immaturity.
Grow up. It’s pathetic.
Boyo.
Land O Lakes ("Butter")... Just googled it.
A company that's selling disgusting, unhealthy canola oil, in a product that contains, and is bold enough to call itself butter...
Edit:
In the seeds and pesticides business, too.
Case closed. Obvious stupid shill is obvious.
Uh, not this again. From a post in 2021.
Of course we'd both get same amount of water per day that has to be consumed, starting several days before the propbet.
And of course a well respected doctor needs to guess our daily caloric maintenance, check hydration level, general health etc. That should be obvious to anyone with half a brain...
You think i write a detailed contract ahead of time? Your stupidity is outrageous.
Simply seeing you think you can just tell us you dont belong to Land O Lakes after behaving like you do ITT, thinking we'll believe you, is hilarious on its own.
Thanks, Parasense for ruining CICO for me. Now when I do my bulk and cut cycles every year where I basically eat all the same foods, I'm never going to gain or lose weight. I clearly wasn't seeing any results meticulously counting my calories daily. I mean the only answer is a Carnivore diet; no one has ever lost weight any other way.
Dont pretend to be more stupid than you actually are...
I dont even eat carnivore anymore. I do eat vegetables, fruits and nuts, too. I'm just very selective.
CICO is a very rough estimate, still good enough for OCDish meatheads.
For human metabolism in general, CICO is not accurate enough to be called scientific, tho.
Of course we'd both get same amount of water per day that has to be consumed, starting several days before the propbet.
And of course a well respected doctor needs to guess our daily caloric maintenance, check hydration level, general health etc. That should be obvious to anyone with half a brain...
If you had glucose going to your brain instead of ketones, you'd realize that we have different body types and metabolisms and each consuming the exact amount of water as a way of making things equal makes zero sense.
Also, why would a doctor need to check caloric maintenance? You said I can't gain 4 pounds of weight eating only broccoli in 2 weeks. Weigh me in at the start and weigh me in at the end.
I'll even give you 12 hours of fasting food and water before final weigh in. Send over your escrow to mark so I can send over mine.
What does this mean in English? Are you saying you will or won't write a contract out ahead of time?
Simply seeing you think you can just tell us you dont belong to Land O Lakes after behaving like you do ITT, thinking we'll believe you, is hilarious on its own.
Wait... you think I work for Land O Lakes? Lmao. I just posted a response about that - did you read it? I don't even eat any dairy, fruit loop.
If a mod wants to go and dig up the Crimson Challenge from 2005 and they can find the post where I gave Tony Paladino **** for eating 8 sticks of butter posing as the CEO of Land O Lakes, and then I didn't post on this account until 2012 after I lost my account in the sitewide hack. I can't find it in the search because it's too old, I guess. When you clicked on my page, did you really think I was born in 1921?
You have a remarkable lack of self-awareness. Telling people they belong to a cult because their choice of diet differs from your choice of diet is absolutely bashing and belittling. Literally every single post you’ve made has been insulting, belittling, and hostile.
To say someone pointing out your childish antics means they “don’t have enough convictions in your diet” just further exemplifies your immaturity.
Grow up. It’s pathetic.
Boyo.
Easy, Tiger.
Allow me to make an analogy.
I have a couple of family members who vote for a guy in a red hat. I think they are making an unhealthy choice for America, but I don't think they're cultists because they just vote red every time and don't even like the red hat guy.
Conversely, there are people who vote for a guy in a red hat who thinks he is the best leader the US has ever had and thinks he is going to be the savior of the country and nothing you say will sway that opinion. I call those people red hat cultists.
So you see, a person can eat a carnivore diet and not be a carnivore cultist, and then there are people who think eating a carnivore diet will cure anything that ails you with only very loose empirical evidence as proof.
Man Parasense is smart. Coming up with the theory that LoL is paid by big agriculture to shill on a poker forum.
He's a trust fund baby, obv
I was ready to consider parasense's arguments until he started touting carnivore as a cure all. Give me a break on the PTSD ****, total nonsense and makes everything else you say seem like quackery. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle. CICO will certainly make you gain and lose weight, but there is also some variance from the effect of different macros. This bet is interesting but unrealistic, I can't see how terms can ever be agreed to. What's the math on how much broccoli needs to be eaten LOL? Seems like it must be a ton and stomach capacity might become an issue?
That wasnt me with ptsd. Reading comprehension ftw...
I've been in the French Foreign Legion, but have no issues regarding that. That was an other poster, mate.
He needs to eat 11kg of broccoli raw, or 14kg cooked for 3k calories. He'd be drawing dead without salt, fat and protein obviously...
I just need to eat big beefsteaks, insoluble fibres, swallowing unchewed peanuts as Dessert afterwards, and "secretly" flex my muscles all day to burn calories. I could avoid salt, he couldnt add any...
Just did the math...
I'll only be able to get ~$78k, after selling my second flat, paying those taxes, booking a flight to Vegas, cancelling my part-time job as accountant until end of October, and paying ~$10k for half of the doctor- and hotel-expenses for a room for 14 days...
And that'd be without a roll for playing FLTD mixed HU, at meaningfull stakes, during our time together...
You won, Land O Lakes, i lost...
If you still wanna do it for my 78k vs your 78k, we'll take my former backer as escrow, a well respected millionar, known as curesive on 2+2.
CICO is a very rough estimate, still good enough for OCDish meatheads.
For human metabolism in general, CICO is not accurate enough to be called scientific, tho.
It's not a rough estimate. It probably accounts for 90% of weight loss with 10% being things like macros and miscellaneous things like carb cycling, frequency or infrequency of eating, water intake, GI of foods, etc.
The human metabolism isn't static, but averaging x amount of calories in deficit over a decent stretch of time will make you lose weight.
CICO doesn't work for dumbasses who can't read nutrition labels or don't use a scale to weigh their food. And then there are times where the calories are fairly unknown and most people almost certainly undercount.
But that's not even really CICO. CICO is purely scientific. Figure out your TDEE, count your calories, gain or lose appropriately. I've done it numerous times. It's actually really ****ing easy.
You are absolutely right with everything you said.
But it aint precise enough to be called scientific (+ - 10%).
And you underestimate the power of beef.
So why get so pissy and defensive that some people eat carnivore when it’s best for THEM?
Goodie for you that you have your diet sorted out. Now maybe stop getting so hostile toward others who are trying to sort their own diets out and make themselves healthier. None of which has any impact on your life yet you seem very pleased to bash them and belittle them.
I think the reason people get "pissy" when someone says I lost so much weight on carnivore is because the person who lost the weight can never just admit it's because they consumed fewer calories.
