British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Tory leadership contest is quickly turning into farce. Trump has backed Boris, which should be reason enough for anyone with half a brain to exclude him.
Of the other candidates Rory Stewart looks the best of the outsiders. Surprised to see Cleverly and Javid not further up the betting, but not sure the Tory membership are ready for a brown PM.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri...
Regarding the LD leadership contest, Jo Swinson is miles ahead of any other candidate (and indeed any of the Tory lot). Should be a shoe in.
Finally, it's Groundhog Day in Labour - the more serious the anti-Semitism claims get, the more Corbyn's cronies write their own obituary by blaming it on outlandish conspiracy theories - this week, it's apparently the Jewish Embassy's fault...
fwiw lethal force is lower on my list then joining 57 On Red in a rain dance
I have no doubt that the influence of people like farage is very significantly increased by the problems with housing etc etc. I have no doubt that people are very angry about housing etc etc and that a significant number of them blame immigration.
People are not rioting because they can't get GP appointments or affordable housing - they are rioting as a young male second-generation migrant has just murdered 3 little girls and tried to murder many more.
Sod the rioters. Dangerous and orrible as they are, it's approximately nobody.
People are not rioting because they can't get GP appointments or affordable housing - they are rioting as a young male second-generation migrant has just murdered 3 little girls and tried to murder many more.
And because police does nothing to criminals of immigrant background in general and so on.
And the attempted gaslight of declaring the suspect was born in the UK and so on and on.
I fully get why they hate the government and they are right, but rioting is still not an option and riots should be crushed by law enforcement.
The disastrous, morally horrific immigration choices of UK governments were democratic, and you vote to change that you don't riot.
Yeah the UK is ****ed they’ve been importing Islamic conservatism for years now.
Mosque leaders find moments of hope after violent disorder
Among the many stark images emerging from the recent wave of unrest across England were photos of Muslims embracing protesters outside one of the country's first mosques.
A demonstration was held outside the Abdullah Quilliam Mosque in Liverpool at the end of a week in which misinformation about the Southport attacks was blamed for stoking Islamophobia.
A counter-demonstration drew a several hundred more people and, once the situation had calmed, mosque volunteer Adam Kelwick and other worshippers crossed over in an attempt to speak to those present.
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Scratching below the surface of what was going on, Mr Kelwick said he found people not to have been motivated by anything in particular - rather just lashing out in a state of general frustration.
He said: "None of the people who I spoke to mentioned Southport.
"I don’t think they knew what they were protesting about - I think they’re just angry, fed up."
In fact, he said there were "beautiful interactions" as the group from the mosque were able to "break bread" and listen to some people's concerns in "deep conversations".
Photographs showed the sharing of food, hugs and handshakes were among the more positive posts being shared widely on social media.
"Some of the most vocal protesters, after everyone else had gone, came inside the mosque for a little tour," Mr Kelwick added.
People from the mosque and those who had gathered to demonstrate shared handshakes and food
Dr Hamid, who works as a GP in a deprived area of Liverpool, said: "The far right are a spectrum so there are those who are very, very extreme but there are people who have certain issues, whether political or personal, and they need to vent that.
"If you don’t provide them with a platform to do that, they will go on to the streets."
Mr Kelwick, who became a Muslim in 1999, has engaged with several groups in open mosque forums during the past decade, discussing the impact of grooming gangs among other topics.
And he said there was nearly always progress.
"Every single event has had people who are very angry - shouting sometimes - very upset, but everyone comes together after a time," he said.
He remembered how one man nearly broke down in tears after being invited to a restaurant meal following an event.
"He said no one had treated him like that before. All we had done was buy him a kebab."
I am watching some horrific videos in the UK of police arresting people in their homes for comments they wrote on facebook about the protests, muslims and so on; is that russian disinformation / alt right propaganda or is it happening for real?
I am watching some horrific videos in the UK of police arresting people in their homes for comments they wrote on facebook about the protests, muslims and so on; is that russian disinformation / alt right propaganda or is it happening for real?
Share them
But
Its probably a mix of truth n lies
finally they came for the nazis, and i said lol get their asses
The protests are enough if the comment is "hateful" enough (they say).
Ofc what is hateful isn't decided by a jury rather by an unelected government employee.
Keep in mind this is "arresting to come answering questions", from what I understand they get handcuffed, questioned at the police office, then release.
Humiliation tactics like banana republics
The protests are enough if the comment is "hateful" enough (they say).
Ofc what is hateful isn't decided by a jury rather by an unelected government employee.
Keep in mind this is "arresting to come answering questions", from what I understand they get handcuffed, questioned at the police office, then release.
Humiliation tactics like banana republics
It sounds like youve not looked at the comment history and dont have any sources
So sounds like speculation to me
humiliating nazis is good, actually
But its good you made your mind up anyway
About what? About free speech yes a long time ago, I think it's horrifying that's legal to have ANY hate speech laws at all in general, I think the american first amendment in it's most strict reading should be a mandated provision in every country constitution.
I think being in favour of hate speech laws is being adamantly anti western and fully incompatible with what make our countries good and a beacon of hope for the world.
It's inimical to the core virtue of western civilization (freedom) and a real domestic threat: people in favour of hate speech laws ARE the enemy, in my mind.
As for the specific UK enforcement of hate speech laws, I think it's disastrous that people can be brought in for questioning without a judge giving the order in general, what do you think? Do you think police should have the latitude to make arrests for online comments?
I am watching some horrific videos in the UK of police arresting people in their homes for comments they wrote on facebook about the protests, muslims and so on; is that russian disinformation / alt right propaganda or is it happening for real?
You will have to share the videos, or we can't tell you. But if people are inciting disorder, they might be liable to arrest. I don't see why that's horrific.
About what? About free speech yes a long time ago, I think it's horrifying that's legal to have ANY hate speech laws at all in general, I think the american first amendment in it's most strict reading should be a mandated provision in every country constitution.
I think being in favour of hate speech laws is being adamantly anti western and fully incompatible with what make our countries good and a beacon of hope for the world.
It's inimical to the core virtue of western civilization (freedom) and
If its inciting riots or violence then yes, I think they should be able to make arrests based on online comments
Most of the "right wing" rhetoric seems to be specifically against Islamists; and it seems the current crisis was caused by a brutal mass murder of children that was assumed to be Islamist inspired, even though we still aren't sure because the authorities insist on gaslighting.
We are sure. The accused person isn't a Muslim.
You will have to share the videos, or we can't tell you. But if people are inciting disorder, they might be liable to arrest. I don't see why that's horrific.
France Italy Germany Spain and so on don't do it.
We might go after the actual organizers of criminal riots sure, when those are identifiable.
But do you think french police would have you arrested if you had written "I think the gilets Jaunes are right to riot"?
