Israel/Palestine thread

aside from the women and children, record numbers of doctors, aid workers, un staff, journalists, etc being straight up assassinated ... no other conclusion to draw but genocide joe actually likes it, really. sickening

it's not like members or supporters of Hamas can't be or pose as doctors, journalists, un staff, aid workers etc.

and it's not like 15-17 years old can't be terrorist combatant either

Netanyahu knows he can get away with it with a US election so close and no candidate prepared to do or say anything.

You need this to be true to justify the killings. It's just as likely those were legit doctors who saw the IDF commit war crimes, which based on the recent rape reports seems far more likely than ever.

Can't defend Hamas, but defending the atrocities Israel seems to be committing daily is becoming just as bad.

a "journalist" was one of the people holding hostages lol.

and no you don't need to justify every killing, this isn't police acting, it's a war against people who use human shields, collateral damage happens *and it is entirely Hamas fault that it happens* to be clear.

Israel has a complete moral justification to wage war until Hamas doesn't exist anymore, given the completely unprovoked attack on 7 10, and if Hamas doesn't unconditionally surrender every single life lost in the process is entirely and exclusively blood on Hamas hands.

there is no "atrocity" that can ever change that moral assessment and make it so that Israel can be in the wrong.

That's not how war crimes work. You can be waging a ''morally justified'' war and still commit war crimes. You know this. You're just being lazy now.

Again, not true. Hamas is responsible for most casualties, we can agree there. Hamas is not responsible for IDF snipers shooting little kids. If this proves to be true, this will be considered a war crime and Israel will be held accountable.

I know this forum is extreme, but man you are something else.

war crimes can happen, but certainly they can't be assessed by anyone who ever happened to harbour any anti+Israel bias, nor you should ever trust any source about the topic which hasn't a crystal clear history of never being anti-israel.

Israel is by far the most hated country by the terroristic institution known as "UN" which counts as it's members some of the worst and most antisemitic countries that ever existed, I really hope you don't base any assessment on this topic (or any topic in general) on anything produced by the UN, or by any institution or media source that includes pro palestinian people and so on.

btw even kids can be wearing explosives and be a threat to soldiers, should stop the charade of "it's illegal to shoot minors in war"

It’s callous, but a lot of these doctors, workers, journos, etc are affiliated with Hamas. Regular people were holding hostages for Hamas, it’s ****ed up and seems incomprehensible as a westerner but it’s the reality.

Hamas deliberately employs teenage militants. Obviously young adult males are capable of participating in warfare as has been customary for basically the entirely of human existence.

Israel themself assessed sexual abuse of POWs was happening and arrested soldiers who allegedly were involved, hence the riots. Pretty sure that's a war crime under the Geneva conventions.

Sure, Hamas is even known for radicalizing kids as soon as they can walk. Not something I would ever or could ever deny. This is not relevant to the claim made by those 45 doctors.

Whether it's true or not I don't know, that's why I use the word ''if''. If it's true, that also is a war crime and absolutely nothing morally justifies shooting innocent kids and yes, there are innocent kids in Gaza even though you want to believe every single last Gazan is guilty.

there have been 0 reports of kids (or adults for that matter) wearing explosives.

I was told these bombs actually save lives.

have you read this from their own mouths yet?

https://www.btselem.org/publications/202...

lol how do you retract this?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-jo...

its like, you had a change of heart in a few days and you decided it was wrong to do mass rape on innocent people?

Looks like all the US media reporting on a ceasefire deal being imminent a couple days ago was just wish casting. Looks like we are basically where we have been at for the duration of the war, where Hamas hasn't budged from their maximilist positions they have held since 10/8. So unless Israel completely capitulates and accepts these terms nothing is happening on that front.

Although given Israel wants to keep control of the borders, and Hamas probably cant function without being able to smuggle in weapons; Hamas has no real incentive to make a deal.

Of course in a sane world one would say that ending the war and all the suffering going on is a cause in itself; but we all kind of just accept that Hamas doesn't care about Palestinian suffering (and are all seemingly ok with this), so it isn't even a talking point worth bringing up.

My Twitter feed is full of Israel propaganda of random Muslims saying similar stuff. Should I start posting everytime some random Muslim person makes some off the cuff remark? Other than rage baiting, what is the point of this post?

a leading journalist/pundit on major Israeli TV wants to formalize the rape of innocent prisoners. it a poor reflection to say the least.

and I dont believe that you can find a prominent Palestinian or leftist contingent advocating similar. I dont really care what random Muslims say.

for instance, to point out your lack of understanding, Hamas had walked back a ton of their demands. this was widely reported in even the Western press.

it was so comical that we got mainstream headlines about Israel vetoing their own deal.

there wasnt much point in talking about ceasefire developments after the Rafah subterfuge. and there is even less now after Israel assassinated the lead negotiator.

this will go on until Israel kills all of the Gazans or until the Resistance makes it too costly for the White Empire to continue supporting this extermination. there wont be a ceasefire for a long time.

I didn't hear him mention a policy of sodomizing the prisoners. He did say he is all for abusing them.

Really? He is a "leading" journalist/pundit? You consume enough Israeli news to know this? I have never heard of him before, have no clue how popular he is or what influence he has, and I am very skeptical you know either of these.

Israel and the Palestinians are 10 months into a war. Obviously there is going to be some extreme rhetoric from randoms on both sides. I dont see any utility in posting selective rage bait, but you do you.

Grunching, but holy **** @ rampant anti-Semitism being rebranded as "anti-Zionism." Pathetic seeing people I once respected fall victim to TikTok brainwashing.

What demands has Hamas walked back?

I actually have no clue how this ends. Western liberal nations are completely psychologically unequipped to deal with a belligerent force like Hamas that started such a devastating war, is losing it horribly, refuses to negotiate in good faith despite having no leverage at all, and are completely indifferent to the people they supposedly serve, including thousands of their own soldiers.

So basically wipe out gaza. If we object we must be antisemitic.

There has to be a ceasefire. Sorry but we can't let you dismiss it because of some weak claim about impossibility

Normally, I'd participate in UN bashing, but it isn't just the terror sponsors condemning Israel's belligerence in this phase of the conflict. There's a general consensus outside of a handful that Israel is committing war crimes.