The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
You read an “entire” 8000 post thread on trans issues that spanned three moderation eras before you had made 20 posts of your own? Are you SURE this civil, respectful, erudite poster that was so tragically banned for “merely post alternate views” isn’t a self projection?
Wow! You get easily distracted. You are so fixated on this idea of post count. No wonder you haven’t the ability to think critically.
That wasn’t what was trying to be determined, and you know it. We’re talking about why this girl thinks she’s a girl. It is not unreasonable for her to think she’s a girl since she’s been told she’s a girl her whole ****ing life and she ain’t got a dick.
So, in other words, what you’re saying is that human beings fall into a binary in which those who have penises are males and those who do not are females? Wow! That’s such a simple classification system. Why didn’t we have one like that before?
So, in other words, what you’re saying is that human beings fall into a binary in which those who have penises are males and those who do not are females? Wow! That’s such a simple classification system. Why didn’t we have one like that before?
No, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is what I wrote. No more, no less. **** off.
Ok. MrDavitWilliam, please take a timeout from this thread immediately.
You cannot just endlessly tell another poster to “**** off”
RIP
No, that’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is what I wrote. No more, no less. **** off.
Yes. What you wrote is so clear that even a simpleton such as yourself would have no difficulty understanding it: a doctor was able to determine the gender of a child based on close visual inspection of its genitals and confirm that gender as belonging to one of two groups.
real question is if mdw hadn't said that gender is determined by genitalia at birth then would he have still gotten the ban 😀
joking aside, ty cn for moderating fairly
Wow! You get easily distracted. You are so fixated on this idea of post count. No wonder you haven’t the ability to think critically.
Distracted? I pointed out why you were objectively wrong already. You failed to dispute it. That you also claimed to have read an entire 8000+ page thread with a post count of 20 and have also sorts of opinions on imagined moderator oppression is just an amusing side tangent with a much simpler explanation.
Distracted? I pointed out why you were objectively wrong already. You failed to dispute it. That you also claimed to have read an entire 8000+ page thread with a post count of 20 and have also sorts of opinions on imagined moderator oppression is just an amusing side tangent with a much simpler explanation.
What have I been objectively wrong about? You’re insane.
And yes, I read the damn thread. I was bowel prepping for a colonoscopy and read it while on the toilet.
sdfs please post here more often 😀
Teachers and mental health professionals are mostly radical leftists, we aren't in 1982.
Btw this is why both professions nowadays have horrible results, and even if we spend far more on both, results are a lot worse than 50 years ago.
Leftism destroys everything
This might be the perception, but in my view it's not true. Example. I went to a large international health conference a couple of years ago. There was a symposium that was all abut critical theory in health. Out of 1000 delegates, around 20 attended this talk.
In the UK, the Doctors' union recently called for the ban on puberty blockers to be lifted. They were roundly criticised by many doctors, and 1000 senior doctors criticised this stance saying it did not represent the majority view of doctors.
I could provide lots more anecdotal evidence. I also think Jonathan Heidt has a study on this and found ~10% of Social Science departments are Marxixts, but I couldn't locate it quickly. I agree there is a small minority of Marxists who make a lot of noise, but they are still a minority.
my heart genuinely goes out to her, she's in a terrible spot - it also appears inconclusive what advantage it gives despite that the eye test would disagree
It's not inconclusive - the largest advantage males have over females is in combat sports. Longer reach (this is very evident for Khelif's jab), narrower hips, wider shoulders, greater muscle mass, stronger bones, greater Vo2 max and probably a dozen other things. Untrained males hit 2.5 times harder than untrained females, and these advantages are all accrued during puberty.
This might be what you're saying WRT the eye test, but her physical advantage is very conclusive, and her performance advantage is her gold medal.
There are many, many non-banned posters posting their anti-trans spiels over and over ITT (for years, in some cases) none of whom are banned for "merely expressing their alternate views".
Even though you might not be, I'm going to assume you might mean posters such as me. There are my positions on key topics:
1, Trans people should be included in all sports up to the level of high-stakes competition. After that point, it should be strictly categorised as male and female.
2, Trans people should use mixed bathrooms (i.e., disables facilities), and if not available, the room that conforms to their secondary sexual characteristics (I’m fairly ambivalent on this though).
3, Puberty blockers/surgical interventions should not be allowed for children under 16 (and maybe 18).
Open question to anyone who would like to respond - Are any of these views transphobic? if so, why?
Even though you might not be, I'm going to assume you might mean posters such as me. There are my positions on key topics:
1, Trans people should be included in all sports up to the level of high-stakes competition. After that point, it should be strictly categorised as male and female.
2, Trans people should use mixed bathrooms (i.e., disables facilities), and if not available, the room that conforms to their secondary sexual characteristics (I’m fairly ambivalent on this though).
3, Puber
lol, no I wasn’t alluding to you. While I’m not a fan of your posting ITT, you are quite significantly better than the lowest common denominator, haven’t posted anything I recall that deserves moderation attention, and I haven’t accused you of being transphobic. As you suggest, point one would not be supported by quite a number of non-banned posters which puts the lie in the claim of oppressive pro-trans moderation.
