*** August 2024 High Stakes Thread ***

if I had to guess it would be Kelisitaan.

CoinPoker, Omaha Pot Limit - §200/§400 (§100 ante) - 7 players
Replay this hand on Pokeit

Bitcoinboi (UTG): §56,156.50 (140 bb)
Likeurcoins (MP): §41,687 (104 bb)
KakiTee (MP+1): §24,012.40 (60 bb)
TonyG (CO): §58,643.20 (147 bb)
KaskaGrrossa (BU): §34,702.20 (87 bb)
samjazzykins (SB): §94,700 (237 bb)
IsnapUcry (BB): §36,081.60 (90 bb)

Pre-Flop: (§1,300)
2 players fold, KakiTee (MP+1) raises to §1,000, TonyG (CO) 3-bets to §3,600, 1 fold, samjazzykins (SB) calls §3,400, 1 fold, KakiTee (MP+1) calls §2,600

Flop: (§11,900) 8♦ J♠ 5♦ (3 players)
samjazzykins (SB) bets §2,000, KakiTee (MP+1) calls §2,000, TonyG (CO) raises to §19,700, samjazzykins (SB) calls §17,700, KakiTee (MP+1) folds

Turn: (§53,300) Q♣ (2 players)
samjazzykins (SB) checks, TonyG (CO) bets §35,243.20 (all-in), samjazzykins (SB) calls §35,243.20

River: (§123,786.40) 2♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: §123,786.40 (Rake: §200.40)

Showdown:
TonyG (CO) shows K♦ A♦ T♣ J♦ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 52%, Flop: 76%, Turn: 29%, River: 0%)

samjazzykins (SB) shows A♠ K♠ T♥ 9♣ (a straight, Eight to Queen)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 48%, Flop: 24%, Turn: 71%, River: 100%)

samjazzykins (SB) wins §123,586

KaskaGrrossa: posts small blind 200
KakiTee: posts big blind 400
samjazzykins: posts straddle 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
CrazyTraider: folds
Likeurcoins: folds
omaha4rollz: raises 1600 to 2400
TonyG: calls 2400
KaskaGrrossa: folds
KakiTee: calls 2000
samjazzykins: calls 1600
*** FLOP *** [Th 2h 9h]
KakiTee: checks
samjazzykins: bets 2800
omaha4rollz: folds
TonyG: calls 2800
KakiTee has timed out
KakiTee activated time-bank (14 seconds)
KakiTee: raises 11200 to 14000
samjazzykins: calls 11200
TonyG: calls 11200
*** TURN *** [Th 2h 9h] [Qc]
KakiTee: bets 52300
samjazzykins: calls 43443 and is all-in
TonyG has timed out
TonyG activated time-bank (12 seconds)
TonyG: folds
Uncalled bet (8856.99) returned to KakiTee
*** RIVER *** [Th 2h 9h Qc] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KakiTee: shows [Td Ah 7c Tc] (three of kind, Tens)
samjazzykins: shows [6h 3s Kh 6c] (a flush, King high)
samjazzykins collected 139186 from pot

CoinPoker, Omaha Pot Limit - §200/§400 (§100 ante) - 7 players
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KaskaGrrossa (UTG): §104,157 (260 bb)
ilsy (MP): §40,000 (100 bb)
samjazzykins (MP+1): §204,367 (511 bb)
CrazyTraider (CO): §92,405 (231 bb)
TonyG (BU): §50,837.10 (127 bb)
Likeurcoins (SB): §21,533.50 (54 bb)
omaha4rollz (BB): §130,660 (327 bb)

Pre-Flop: (§1,300)
KaskaGrrossa (UTG) calls §800, 2 players fold, CrazyTraider (CO) calls §800, 1 fold, omaha4rollz (BB) calls §400, TonyG (BU) raises to §4,200, KaskaGrrossa (UTG) calls §3,400, CrazyTraider (CO) calls §3,400, omaha4rollz (BB) calls §3,400

Flop: (§17,700) 2♣ J♥ 7♥ (4 players)
omaha4rollz (BB) checks, TonyG (BU) bets §17,500, KaskaGrrossa (UTG) calls §17,500, CrazyTraider (CO) raises to §87,500, omaha4rollz (BB) folds, TonyG (BU) calls §29,037.10 (all-in), KaskaGrrossa (UTG) raises to §99,856.50, CrazyTraider (CO) calls §605 (all-in)

Turn: (§240,447.10) 3♣ (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (§240,447.10) K♠ (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: §240,447.10 (Rake: §200.10)

Showdown:
KaskaGrrossa (UTG) shows J♦ Q♣ 3♦ J♠ (three of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 67%, Turn: 61%, River: 100%)

CrazyTraider (CO) shows 4♥ A♥ 6♠ 6♣ (a pair of Sixes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 26%, Flop: 28%, Turn: 22%, River: 0%)

TonyG (BU) shows J♣ T♠ 6♥ A♣ (a pair of Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 24%, Flop: 5%, Turn: 17%, River: 0%)

KaskaGrrossa (UTG) wins §240,247

thats a telling difference between you and me, for me high stakes starts at 1knl :p

we know each other 😉

FTS

Ya they charge $800 per hand at 5/1k , insanity. However you arent taking into consideration rakeback which they give loads of. Ive only played 10/20 and some 25/50 on there and have broken even over the handful of times and was given a decent rb offer. Those games are raked pretty normally too, so i imagine in these stakes they give really high rakeback to anyone whose actually depositing.

I think the high rake is a bit of a hedge for Tony for all the credit hes extending/freerolling. He can offer credit players really low rakeback and then anyone willing to actually put money up front on deposit will get rewarded via RB. This is purely a theory, not fact.

It could be worth messaging either Tony or support and tell them the stakes you would fire if you can get x %, and see if they accept whatever % you feel youd need to get to be not kicked in the balls every hand via rake

How do you have his graph? I saw you posted how he did in SB

Is CoinPoker running games regularly ? I signed up there when they launched and made a small deposit becaue I knew the managment. I get occasional emails, but have not played since their launch.

How is the traffic at low stakes ?

Moneymaker is firing the 2/400 plo8 rathole right now. 5 handed

https://i.imgur.com/vDlphXs.png

This is my guess as well

Def dont think king10clubs was the last one to do 500k+ a year at midstakes. While he is the biggest legend of midstakes he also had some failed shots at 5k+ , i recall him having like a 1m hand break even stretch quite late in his career. From what i can remember one of his last years was like 300-400k ish.

the FR crusher thing I have no clue about, but even right before solver era there was some really absurd strategies at midstakes. On the top of my mind some of the more fun/easy to remember ones where: sipinho13 (500z reg) who would open 30-35% + from every position and somehow be winning. Sir_donald (500z crusher?) would stab like 75% of his range when x:ed to and would just bet pot flop, bet turn and all in river. There was a guy playing on pokerstars.fr named sOmcorp56 or something that litterally opened 100% on the button uptil 2015-2016 or so with no exceptions. Kingzemanel might not had a interesting strategy, just ultra nit but he would seatscript nl25 to nl10k full ring simultaneously. Have to say im quite intrigued if multiple guys mention some dude that they think fit the bill pre 2010. It's hard to imagine the strategies you could get away with back then lol.

didn't KTclubs also have a year of losing over 1mm hands lmao. true goat of the game and heart of a lion

I was a midstakes full ring pro before 2010 without playing a single 6max hand
I remember kingzemanel, he was in fact a huge nit but back then you had some crushers who played something like 11/8 like jrockhaf & ronfar
And then you had a winning reg called chrisjester who opened 40% utg in full ring :shocked:
Why people (and myself) mentioned sharknebulah is probably because a lot of regs thought he was bad because he was limp/calling and limp/raising a lot.. But then PTR came out and he turned out to be one of the biggest winners
The same kelisitaan rings a bell but dont have a super memory of him

sipinho was opening 100% from BTN and CO, like 60% from HJ and I don’t remember UTG but it was pretty high as well

Kelisitaan. Shark moved up later I'm pretty sure

Kelisitaan is the first crusher I have a memory of. He started minraising pre when everyone 3x and 3-betting wide (not sure how wide, but the std was 3% lol) while everyone kept folding 80%+ whilst playing 10/8 at the same time lmao. nOoNehaDaCLue

classic kala down a million buy ins

lmao this guy is amazing

Standard 3bet was never 3% unless you’re talking pre 2004. Card runners was the first major training site and stressed the importance of 3betting suited connectors along with big pairs. Something in the 10-15% range

Barak still can't get anyone off KQ high, maybe another 100bb on the stack and he'll make it happen

There used to be a variant of poker called “full ring”