Project 2025
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Project 2025 is a 1000-page document that Trump read cover to cover and understands completely.
From a NYT article:
It elevates the role of religious beliefs in government affairs and regards the powers of Congress and the judiciary with dismissiveness.
You know, I just got done watching "Immaculate" on Hulu. Nothing wrong with more religion I say!
Inso0 likes him a bit of BJ, that would be baby Jesus. Inso0, what do we think of Project 2025 in general and more BJ in particular?
yes it is obviously tied to trump, and yes it probably should be the final nail in his political coffin because of how much truly disturbing and horrifying **** is in it (how many ppl actually want to be ruled by the heritage foundation?), but who even knows any more
I follow a lot of "right wing" media, and have never come across the term "Project 2025" at all, except as something far left people talk about as some sort of anti-Trump boogey man. I have literally never come across anyone but what I would charatcterize as a far left person use the term. So far this thread proves the rule.
My inclination is that it is some sort of deep state psy-op; but I really dont know.
I follow a lot of "right wing" media, and have never come across the term "Project 2025" at all, except as something far left people talk about as some sort of anti-Trump boogey man. I have literally never come across anyone but what I would charatcterize as a far left person use the term. So far this thread proves the rule.
My inclination is that it is some sort of deep state psy-op; but I really dont know.
Those crazy radical leftists over at Fox News are fearmongering again, I see.
democracy now on this:
and the legaleagle video on p2025 is predictably an evisceration:
and i'm pretty sure that's only scratching the surface. it's a christian fascist wet dream, and it is trump's agenda
I follow a lot of "right wing" media, and have never come across the term "Project 2025" at all, except as something far left people talk about as some sort of anti-Trump boogey man. I have literally never come across anyone but what I would charatcterize as a far left person use the term. So far this thread proves the rule.
My inclination is that it is some sort of deep state psy-op; but I really dont know.
trump seems to know what it is
This is Trump's exact statement from the Fox article.
"I have no idea what it is. It's a group of extremely conservative people, [they] got together and wrote up a wish list of things, many of which I disagree with entirely,"
"They're too severe. Like on abortion. … From what I've heard, it's not too far, it's way too far."
--I guess you can put me in the camp with Trump of people who have no real idea what Project 2025 is, or who is behind it. Skimming a couple articles, I am assured it is comprised of a lot of people close to Trump, but literally none of them are named.
Like I said, as far as I can tell it is a left wing boogeyman, and likely an intentional complete psy-op. But you guys have your fun I guess.
You've all been punked:
I don't like the word "tied" in the poll because it implies an official association. It's "tied" to him in the sense of being associated with the Republican agenda in general and Trump in particular in the public consciousness, at least probably for those who consume centrist and liberal-leaning media sources, but I don't know whether there is (or ever was) any formal association between Project 2025 and the Trump campaign or not.
That made it unclear for me whether the poll was asking a compound question - i.e. is/isn't there a formal association, covert or otherwise, and therefore will it/won't it sink him.
I don't like the word "tied" in the poll because it implies an official association. It's "tied" to him in the sense of being associated with the Republican agenda in general and Trump in particular in the public consciousness, at least probably for those who consume centrist and liberal-leaning media sources, but I don't know whether there is (or ever was) any formal association between Project 2025 and the Trump campaign or not.
That made it unclear for me whether the poll was asking a compound
Who is the prominent member of "Project 2025" that is clearly tied to Trump? I just skimmed like 5 articles and couldn't give you a name.
Project 2025, and Roe v Wade, and JD should sink him.
JD Vance’s forward for the Heritage Foundation president’s book is the latest
connection demonstrating a close tie between Project 2025 and the Trump campaign.
Roberts’s connections extend beyond Vance and up to the former president himself. A photo first published
by The Washington Post shows Roberts and Trump flying together to a foundation conference in April 2022.
During his speech to the conference, Trump hinted at Heritage’s upcoming project.
“They’re going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do,” he said.
Who is the prominent member of "Project 2025" that is clearly tied to Trump? I just skimmed like 5 articles and couldn't give you a name.
No idea, and no idea why you're asking me, when the post you quoted clearly says that I don't know if there is an association between Trump and Project 2025 other than in the public consciousness.
It is tied to him, but I don't think it will sink him. I think that it has a chance to be a good message for people, but rather make sure they talk about specifically what policies Project 2025 wants, like Christian nationalism and removal of all mentions of climate change from the federal government. I think what will sink Trump is that he is old and clearly has lost a step, which is more obvious when you put him next to Kamala than next to an even more decrepit politician like Joe Biden.
It is tied to him, but I don't think it will sink him. I think that it has a chance to be a good message for people, but rather make sure they talk about specifically what policies Project 2025 wants, like Christian nationalism and removal of all mentions of climate change from the federal government. I think what will sink Trump is that he is old and clearly has lost a step, which is more obvious when you put him next to Kamala than next to an even more decrepit politician like Joe Biden.
I think you guys overestimate how salient an issue it is for people that would vote for Trump. Project 2025 doesn't really exist at all in the right wing news ecosystem. It exists completely as a left wing boogeyman.
This is Trump's exact statement from the Fox article.
"I have no idea what it is. It's a group of extremely conservative people, [they] got together and wrote up a wish list of things, many of which I disagree with entirely,"
"They're too severe. Like on abortion. … From what I've heard, it's not too far, it's way too far."
--I guess you can put me in the camp with Trump of people who have no real idea what Project 2025 is, or who is behind it. Skimming a couple articles, I am assured it is c
Lol yeah right …
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_...
The Heritage Foundation, an American conservative think tank founded in 1973 and based in Washington, D.C., that employs people closely tied to Trump,[49][51][50] coordinates the initiative with a constellation of conservative groups run by Trump allies.[13] By February 2024, the project had over 100 partner organizations,[81] seven of which the Southern Poverty Law Center identified as hate or extremist groups.[82]
Project 2025 partners employ over 200 former Trump administration officials.[83] CNN found that at least 140 people who worked in the Trump administration had a hand in Project 2025, including more than half of the people listed as authors, editors and contributors.[48] Vox estimates that nearly two-thirds of the authors and editors served in the Trump administration.[84] As of July 13, 2024, there is no evidence that Trump was personally involved in drafting or approving the plan.[84] Six of his cabinet secretaries are authors or contributors, and about 20 pages are credited to his first deputy chief of staff.[48] It developed a reputation in conservative circles as the institutional home for Trump's young and loyal coterie of personnel staffers.[85]
The Washington Post reported on regular communication between Project 2025 and Trump campaign advisers.[53] In April 2024, according to Media Matters, Project 2025 senior advisor John McEntee said that they and the Trump campaign planned to "integrate a lot of our work".[86] In May 2024, Russell Vought was named policy director of the Republican National Committee platform committee.[87] The Center for Renewing America (CRA), founded by Vought, is on Project 2025's advisory board.[88] CNN reported that the CRA is "secretly drafting hundreds of executive orders, regulations, and memos that would lay the groundwork for rapid action on Trump’s plans if he wins" and quoted Vought claiming that Trump has "blessed" the CRA, that "he’s very supportive of what we do", and that his effort to distance himself from Project 2025 was just "graduate-level politics".[89]
Many contributors to Project 2025 are expected to have positions in a second Trump administration.[90] A future Trump administration is also expected to use the database of possible federal employees Project 2025 has recruited and trained.[91] Citing the Reagan-era maxim that "personnel is policy", some have argued that personnel is the most important aspect of Project 2025.[92][93]
Trump campaign officials initially acknowledged that the project aligns well with its Agenda 47 proposals,[12][86] but the Project has increasingly caused friction with the Trump campaign, which has preferred to avoid specific policy proposals.[61] Trump has never publicly endorsed Project 2025. In November 2023, without naming Project 2025, his campaign remarked that "Policy recommendations from external allies are just that—recommendations".[55][94][95]
On July 2, 2024, Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts created controversy by saying, "we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be".[96][90][97] Shortly afterward, the Foundation released a statement adding, "Unfortunately, they have a well established record of instigating the opposite".[98] On July 5, Trump sought to distance himself from the Project.[94][49][99][100][101] Political commentators including Robert Reich, Michael Steele, Ali Velshi, and Olivia Troye dismissed Trump's denial.[99][100][102][101] Others have noted that Trump's name appears over 300 times in the document.[60] Despite Trump having claimed on July 11 that "[I] have no idea who is in charge of it", Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts said in April that "I personally have talked to President Trump about Project 2025", a statement denied by a Trump campaign spokesperson.[103]
It's the modern "conservative" playbook. Played out in Hungary, it ties nationalism into a platform using conservative rhetoric, with the expressed goal of greatly expanding the power of the executive branch in government. It is an approach has been lauded by the new breed of conservatives world-wide. It is not without reason Victor Orbán has been in much demand as a speaker. He has even spoken at CPAC at the same events where Trump has spoken.
People who think it has no ties to Trump or Trumpism are living under an ideological rock. Project2025 is fronted by the Heritage Foundation, which is has been the most powerful conservative think tank in the US since the '80s. Their say in matters of ideology tells us where US conservatism is headed.
After initially criticizing Trump around 2016, the table has now turned and the Heritage Foundation and Trump's circle is intertwined, with their former people working in his campaign and vice versa. The choice of JD Vance as VP also pretty much cements project 2025 as the Trump's campaigns agenda.
The reason Trump is claiming that the project is unknown to him and why his online supporters are trying to obfuscate the issue, is that project 2025 is batshit crazy. It is a playbook to dismantle oversight and checks and balances. This in order to finalize a marriage of nationalism and conservatism, reminiscent of Erdoğan's Turkey and Orbán's Hungary.
Combined with the US Supreme Court's conservative majority positioning itself to let presidents of their choosing violate the law, there is no need to be a conspiratorial nutcase to see some grim possibilities ahead.
I think you guys overestimate how salient an issue it is for people that would vote for Trump. Project 2025 doesn't really exist at all in the right wing news ecosystem. It exists completely as a left wing boogeyman.
I think the only salient issue for people that would vote for Trump is voting for Trump. I don't see anyone who would vote for that guy having the cognitive ability to comprehend much about any "salient issues", apart from the 0.05% that are in the 3+ comma club of course - and they're the ones behind Project 2025 in the first place.
I think you guys overestimate how salient an issue it is for people that would vote for Trump. Project 2025 doesn't really exist at all in the right wing news ecosystem. It exists completely as a left wing boogeyman.
Lol of course it doesn’t exist in the right wing news ecosystem. DUCY?
Plus they have to fixate on right wing boogeyman **** like MIGRANT CRIME or BORDER INVASIONS
"no one inside the cult cares about this"
1. yeah, no ****
2. i love these guys not realizing that in order to win a national election, you have to appeal to people who are outside of the cult
I think you guys overestimate how salient an issue it is for people that would vote for Trump. Project 2025 doesn't really exist at all in the right wing news ecosystem. It exists completely as a left wing boogeyman.
31 contributors to it are former Trump admin officials. By the way you act like the heritage foundation is just some random org. Lastly Trump recently said in his Elon Musk interview he wants to abolish the department of education. That is from project 2025. He said he wants to fire left wing soldiers and military officials, also from project 2025. In fact the only thing he really differs with them on is abortion, and given he bragged about ending Roe v Wade and has said that the mother deserves punishment for abortion, it’s hard to believe he would veto an abortion ban if it came on his desk.
I’m not scared of the name Project 2025, I’m scared of the policies and values espoused therein. In the sense that it is extremely likely he has had many conversations with them, I think it is associated with him very much.
By the way Trump saying “I know nothing about [insert person]” almost guarantees he knows exactly who this person is and they have done or are doing shady things for him.
P25 is fictitious and sad for anyone to worry about.
