Climate Change - increasingly horrible disasters loom

Climate Change - increasingly horrible disasters loom

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there is so much out there about this - I don't really need to provide a lot of sources - a quick google search will find you thousands of links

of course there are the climate change deniers

and there are those who say what little we can do won't be nearly enough

just one link:

from the article:

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. "

couldn't resist one more link - story about Siberia, one of the coldest places on earth where there is human habitation - they now face 100 degree days and multiple wildfires caused by them

https://eos.org/articles/siberian-heat-w....

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by Luciom k

I don't crop anything I literally copy pasted it from the article I linked myself.

The article itself claims science shows it's mostly from the increased CO2 but ofc science doesn't matter when you don't agree with it.

Higher CO2 concentration in the atmosphere makes plant grow more. A lot more. Even if less water is available.

Which other than meaning that desertification isn't happening in aggregate worldwide at all (rather the opposite is), also means the absurd claims about lower agricultural p

“If CO2 fertilization was the determining factor in regreening here, it would happen everywhere in a region, but it does not,” he says. Instead, the greening stops abruptly at the border with Nigeria, where farmers show little interest in nurturing trees.

Evans agrees that the exceptional greening his study found in southern Niger is probably related to farmer regeneration of trees. And he says that Indian farmers too have played an important role. In arid states such as Gujarat, they are pumping underground water to irrigate crops on once-barren land. The resulting increase in soil moisture shows up as greening, Indra Tripathi, a water-resource engineer at the Indian Institute of Technology in Gandhinagar, Gujarat, concluded in a study published in March

This is literally from the article.
It has several paragraphs about farming and environment policies.
I agree that CO2 has an impact, just that you are overspinning it to say more CO2= good , which I guess is helping your view that we should burn more fuel.

edit: one can only hope we adapt as well as plants , amirite?


Here* in that article was about that specific part of Niger jfc, stop lying.

They are saying "a bit of the greening is from this", most is from the CO2


Where plants do good we do good, we eat them and our livestock eats them ffs, which is why the previous claim was "oh my god we are going to suffer because climate change means disasters for agriculture", now it's "poor beetles in the desert how can we deal with the fact there will be less of them"


I'd never argue against CO2 being the limiting reagent in the chemical equation for photosynthesis.

Yeah, the plants that have access to all the necessary chemicals needed to undergo photosynthesis are going to do better in a CO2-rich environment. We call that a "greenhouse" colloquially. Unless they just burn up...

Now go study a hardiness-zone map. Are all plants going to thrive with the temperature increases?

https://www.ars.usda.gov/oc/dof/growing-...


Water is good. That means more water is better. I am very smart.


Northwest Passage could eventually make the Panama Canal obsolete
as a shipping route due to climate change and the melting of Arctic ice.


by steamraise k

Northwest Passage could eventually make the Panama Canal obsolete
as a shipping route due to climate change and the melting of Arctic ice.

The naval war games that will take place between North America and Russia, when ALL the arctic ice disappears, are going to be really fun too!

Spoiler
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Russia going to win


by NLOmahaHL k

The naval war games that will take place between North America and Russia, when ALL the arctic ice disappears, are going to be really fun too!

Spoiler
Show

Russia going to win

I don't know Canada could send out their naval fleet ( If there is wind )


Take care out there @Luciom. Lots of the type of weather around that you think is a positive change.



I'll miss Venezia


by King Spew k

I'll miss Venezia

With the MOSE (the mechanical damn we can put on when needed) Venezia is the safest it has been in centuries vs floods.

Ofc greens are now claiming that affects the lagoon ecosystem (you can never win against them, ever).


by jalfrezi k

Take care out there @Luciom. Lots of the type of weather around that you think is a positive change.

Ye it never flooded in Italy, it's a recent change (jfc how do you guys even woke up from bed )


Coming to Northern Italy soon


Embrace the change as opportunity to re-engineer agriculture, Luciom.


Ye it's not like we digged canals centuries ago in pianura padana to control floods or anything, never happened before

1951 major Po river floods, climate change!!!! (180k ppl lost their homes)

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alluvione_...


I thought the thing about disasters that wipe out a large number of people is that you don't want them repeated?


Do you live on high ground?


by jalfrezi k

I thought the thing about disasters that wipe out a large number of people is that you don't want them repeated?

Do you live on high ground?

Yes we should be able to manage land much better than in the past but unfortunately the state is terrible at every single job it has, and my region is controlled by leftists since ww2 so this is why even with immense sums spent in 2023 after the same floods we got them now with 2 days of rain lol.

Politicians should get the death penalty for this, instead they get more european money.

I live in the city center where we never had a flood in 2k+ years as we have no major river passing through Bologna, rather a set of canals controlled by gates and whatnot, there is nothing that can flood.


The point of avoidable disasters is to leave nice ruins for the next society. That way people can look at the remnants of your civilization and marvel about how much better everything used to be.


by Luciom k

Yes we should be able to manage land much better than in the past but unfortunately the state is terrible at every single job it has, and my region is controlled by leftists since ww2 so this is why even with immense sums spent in 2023 after the same floods we got them now with 2 days of rain lol.

Politicians should get the death penalty for this, instead they get more european money.

I live in the city center where we never had a flood in 2k+ years as we have no major river passing through Bologn

So you had floods last year, flood this year...
**** happens bro!

It's good for the tourism though.


by Luciom k

Yes we should be able to manage land much better than in the past but unfortunately the state is terrible at every single job it has, and my region is controlled by leftists since ww2 so this is why even with immense sums spent in 2023 after the same floods we got them now with 2 days of rain lol.

Politicians should get the death penalty for this, instead they get more european money.

I live in the city center where we never had a flood in 2k+ years as we have no major river passing through Bologn

Yes blame the guy unable to find answer to the problem and keep voting on the side that won’t fixe the problem because the problem does not exist .


by weeeez k

So you had floods last year, flood this year...
**** happens bro!

It's good for the tourism though.

Record high , if it went down a bit at least around me it would be better for my quality of life, not being able to find a taxi ever is kinda harsh, as it is to need to keep the calendar of local events that attracts tourists and fairs and stuff on my desk to know how in advance i have to reserve a restaurant depending on the period of time we are in.

We had flood this year because the communists that got given 250m euros to fix rivers in our area didn't do ****. They should get the death penalty, their party disbanded, their middle management barred from public life forever, and we should move on from there.

Instead they will get 250m or more again to steal and give to their friends and next time their voters will keep claiming it was climate change.

They have a direct financial interest in not fixing anything and blaming climate change. That's the world you guys built. Horror , hell on earth.


Never mind the flood damage - how's the new agriculture looking? Surely that will more than compensate?


by jalfrezi k

Never mind the flood damage - how's the new agriculture looking? Surely that will more than compensate?

This year we are producing more wine than France and back to top1 worldwide again for example. Olive oil as well is rebounding. Not sure about every other single produce i tend to follow olive oil and wine more than the rest.


Maybe you should consider turning some land into paddy fields?


by jalfrezi k

Maybe you should consider turning some land into paddy fields?

Italy already produces more rice than the rest of europe combined (mostly in the north west).

We don't in my region afaik because we can produce other stuff as well which has better economic yield per hectare


Sounds like a world's tallest dwarf claim.

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