2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
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It's the "democrats can never, ever again play the my body my choice card" chat. Ever. It's obvious, they denied choice to many millions of people, by force of law, and tried to deny it to many more but SCOTUS blocked that.
You can think all the mandates "made sense" but you cannot defend vaccination mandates for adults and claim "my body my choice" has ever been part of your belief system. Or claim republicans want to force healthcare choices as if that, per se, was bad, because democrats did it more than anyone else before in 70+ years during covid.
Vaccine mandates can be constitutional yes.
Not if passed by the executive without specific delegation for that purpose by Congress though.
The OSHA attempt to mandate them wasn't constitutional.
It's anti-rhetoric: you go for many years with my body my choice, claim republicans want to control women health (and it's true for some republicans) then try to mandate the first vaccine to adults since what, a century? More? Even to adults that don't risk much or anything from that disease? Even a non st
Yes that was ruled unconstitutional and is probably correct, I thought you were referring to vaccines mandates more broadly.
Look a lot of Dem voters are stupid. As a percentage, there are more stupid Republicans than stupid dems. There’s also the sense that you are making a category error, because the “my body my choice” can be isolated to one person’s body (plus the life of the fetus), but not getting a vaccine under certain assumptions can mean decisions about more than the person’s body.
Anyway yeah same set of words doesn’t always apply to the situation. Just like conservatives were saying “my body my choice” in the context of vaccines but didn’t agree in the context of abortion. It’s just a product of sloganeering, not something super deep like you are trying to imply
Yes that was ruled unconstitutional and is probably correct, I thought you were referring to vaccines mandates more broadly.
Look a lot of Dem voters are stupid. As a percentage, there are more stupid Republicans than stupid dems. There’s also the sense that you are making a category error, because the “my body my choice” can be isolated to one person’s body (plus the life of the fetus), but not getting a vaccine under certain assumptions can mean decisions about more than
Proof of the bold? I know that the very smart skew democrat a bit but that doesn't imply the bold.
How is having an extra human in society or not, not something that affects more than the person body? fertility rates in society, as per the recent endless debate on the topic, are something that affect everyone in the long term, in very big ways. They are literally used to justify more immigration than inthe past in many countries for example. They are used to reduce pension benefits or delay their trigger.
How detached from actual life can we have become if we don't consider a woman having or not a child as the tantamount "it takes a village, and it changes the village" decision? i do refuse to take that into consideration because for me freedom is actually the most important value above all, because i am anti-collectivist at the core and i don't accept the use of "externalities" to justify reduction of freedom.
But most people use externalities to justify every freedom limitation they like so they can't deny they exist for abortion as well.
In fact i did clash heads with anti-vax-mandate people who are against first trimester abortion no question asked, you just can't know that because afaik there are none in this forum, but yes the contradiction is egregious and a few of them knowing i speak as a cultural friend even starting doubting their own abortion position.
Proof of the bold? I know that the very smart skew democrat a bit but that doesn't imply the bold.
I think the claim is better stated not as "a higher percentage of conservatives are stupid" but as "a higher percentage of stupid people are conservative". But, given the law of large numbers, it's pretty much the same thing.
and if, as per example, the same people have in a short span of time some of the best leaders in human history and some of the worst?
Variance.
Not much variance in the intellectual quality republican presidents and candidates in the last 25 years or so though. If anything, it's gone down after Bush, which nobody thought possible at the time. Bush --> Palin --> Trump is an amazing race to the bottom.
Variance.
Not much variance in the intellectual quality republican presidents and candidates in the last 25 years or so though. If anything, it's gone down after Bush, which nobody thought possible at the time. Bush --> Palin --> Trump is an amazing race to the bottom.
Agreed, but your post would be better if you distinguished between H.W. Bush and W. Bush. H.W. Bush was an intelligent person, however W. Bush is a morAn.
Variance.
Not much variance in the intellectual quality republican presidents and candidates in the last 25 years or so though. If anything, it's gone down after Bush, which nobody thought possible at the time. Bush --> Palin --> Trump is an amazing race to the bottom.
Palin don't you mean McCain and I think he never wanted Palin either.
I was giving examples of absolute morons who ascended to the highest levels in Republican circles. It wouldn't be particularly difficult to find many more if we started looking in congress or at other presidential candidates. I think the fact that the party has been fully taken over by a complete moron is the only point that really needs to be made here, though.
Variance.
Not much variance in the intellectual quality republican presidents and candidates in the last 25 years or so though. If anything, it's gone down after Bush, which nobody thought possible at the time. Bush --> Palin --> Trump is an amazing race to the bottom.
Vance is by a significant margin the smartest of the 4 candidates in the 2 tickets though
Yale law median LSAT score in 2013 was 175.
Vance was white so, requires more than median on avg to enter. we are talking better than 3 sigma over median LSAT (top 1 in some hundreds probably, possibly better than 1 in 1000, at worst top 1 in 50).
this maps to 135+ IQ with strong correlation.
Harris for reference failed the bar at first attempt in California mid 80s when success rate was approx half. can't map better than 115 IQ
Walz and Trump are 100-105 IQ guys
Yale law median LSAT score in 2013 was 175.
Vance was white so, requires more than median on avg to enter. we are talking better than 3 sigma over median LSAT (top 1 in some hundreds probably, possibly better than 1 in 1000, at worst top 1 in 50).
this maps to 135+ IQ with strong correlation.
Harris for reference failed the bar at first attempt in California mid 80s when success rate was approx half. can't map better than 115 IQ
Walz and Trump are 100-105 IQ guys
Have you heard Vance say one smart thing? Like, one single sentence where you thought to yourself, "damn that chap is smart"
I haven't
Every time he opens his mouth he sounds like a rube. And hes a puppet so its significantly more likely than normal hes just a plant.
But I guess if hes 135 IQ then I'm 150+
Playing 4d chess ldo. Takes a genius to make everyone think you're a moron. The most genius thing is, nobody knows why he's doing this.
In any case, I think anyone who denies that the MAGA crowd are significantly more stupid than the average non-MAGA republican, let alone the average person, is either being disingenuous or not paying attention.
There are almost no mandatory, general population vaccines mandates for adults in most western countries actually, when covid vax mandates happened they were the first either ever, or in many decades, almost everywhere.
Interesting that you give me a link with mandatory vaccinations for minors (*FOR PATERNALISTIC REASONS* *WITH STERILIZING VACCINES* *FOR DISEASES THAT ARE VERY DANGEROUS FOR MINORS* ) to justify a vaccine mandate for adults *for a very innocuous disease for a portion of the popula
The vaccines are mandated as children so they get a lifetime of protection from those diseases including into adulthood. You can't really be that dense. What you claim as bad faith is simple misunderstanding of basic logic.
What's different about COVID is the disease was introduced during our lifetimes, thus there was no vaccine available to adults when they were children. Again, this surely is obvious to anyone who examines the situation with any more than a passing interest.
The lethality of COVID was unknown during the times the vaccine was introduced, including long-term morbidities, contrary to your protestations otherwise. This was especially true based on the unknown etiology of potential variants.
Not getting the vaccine is literally survival of the fittest. I’m sorry that Lucioums brain doesn’t properly understand risk. Not sorry that he is removing himself from the gene pool
And I’m sure he feels the same way about me
medical staff mandate unfortunately was constitutional because of how congress wrote the rules. OSHA mandate wasn't.
Fact is the general population attempted mandate (and factual mandate in many blue states) was an explicit choice by government of claiming "your body isn't yours, we decide for what we arbitrarily think is good for others". Which is IDENTICAL to what people do with abortion. They want to arbitrarily decide that the value of the life of the fetus is greater than the woman freedom.
You are entirely missing the point.
Vaccines aren't about controlling the choices of people, its about saving lives.
I get that you are a libertarian. But what that means is that you can do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt other people.
In this case the only way to save lives was to mandate vaccines during the pandemic. And by save lives I mean to stop people like you from causing deaths because you wanted to be able to choose not to be vaccinated in situations where it would put other people's lives at risk.
In the case of medical facilities it meant that employees would have to choose between getting vaccinated or not working there any more. And they were free to choose. If they really believed that they didn't have to get vaccinated then they could quit. Their choice.
