Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
Drinking water with it now? Guys sounds a total lightweight.
Not "with it", but later.
Like you have alcohol during lunch, go to the beach, run around play volley go in the water swim around go out drink a ton of water sweat take the sun and so on.
Then at sunset you are fully reset for caipirinha or whatever. I mean iw ould never count the alcohol you got at lunch as part of the max allotment
Different people can have wildly different tolerances to alcohol, and regular heavy drinking can build up one's tolerance to levels that appear superhuman to casual drinkers. That said, being an "alcoholic" is almost always about alcohol consumption affecting one's life in negative ways rather than how much alcohol they actually consume. Some people can go out and have 10 pints and have a good time and be fine the next day, others have a couple of pints, go home, beat the wife, and call in sick for work in the morning. The latter type has much more of an "alcohol problem" than the former.
But the Cockney described at the end of your post isn't necessarily an alcoholic, who can just be someone who has a couple of glasses of wine with colleagues every lunchtime out of necessity.
it's a myth that alcoholics wake up and have to drink
yes some do that but not all
many are able to hold off until they are free of responsibilities and not start until done with work for the day
is cuepee the one who drinks 10 bottles of wine in a day?
But the Cockney described at the end of your post isn't necessarily an alcoholic, who can just be people who have a couple of glasses of wine with colleagues every lunchtime out of necessity.
I'm saying if alcohol consumption causes him to become violent, or has other significant negative impacts on his life or the lives of those close to him, he is an alcoholic regardless of the absolute quantities involved. Conversely, some people can drink ungodly amounts on a regular basis and it has little or no negative impact on their lives; I wouldn't call them alcoholics.
it's a myth that alcoholics wake up and have to drink
yes some do that but not all
many are able to hold off until they are free of responsibilities and not start until done with work for the day
is cuepee the one who drinks 10 bottles of wine in a day?
If I'm on a bender I'll certainly get cravings for it when I wake up. I started working from home a lot a few years before Covid, which is how I ended up so wasted most of the time. I'd just start in the morning and go through till night days on end, whereas before I'd be going to the office where I obviously wouldn't be drinking. Doing that, it's quite easy to go through 3 or 4 bottles (of wine) a day for a week straight for sure. 10 is crazy talk.
I'm saying if alcohol consumption causes him to become violent, or has other significant negative impacts on his life or the lives of those close to him, he is an alcoholic regardless of the absolute quantities involved. Conversely, some people can drink ungodly amounts on a regular basis and it has little or no negative impact on their lives; I wouldn't call them alcoholics.
I understand that but disagree with the last clause. What I was saying is that alcoholism is defined by compulsion not by quantity or otherwise negative behaviour.
I understand that. What I was saying is that alcoholism is defined by compulsion not by quantity or otherwise negative behaviour.
I'd probably say probably an element of both. I have no idea what the "official" definition is, or even if there is one; the definition I articulated is the one I find most useful.
I'm saying if alcohol consumption causes him to become violent, or has other significant negative impacts on his life or the lives of those close to him, he is an alcoholic regardless of the absolute quantities involved. Conversely, some people can drink ungodly amounts on a regular basis and it has little or no negative impact on their lives; I wouldn't call them alcoholics.
You can be fully addicted to a substance without it causing you any significant problem in life. The most common example is coffee for many millions of people (not all coffee drinkers of course).
Many coffee drinkers have significant problems if they stop completly for a week. Those are addicts, coffeholics.
For me an alcoholic is someone who if he stops drinking for a week has significant withdrawal symptoms. Ie an addict to the substance.
If he is good at managing his addiction or not, that's a completly orthogonal point that doesn't affect the definition.
I'd probably say probably an element of both. I have no idea what the "official" definition is, or even if there is one; the definition I articulated is the one I find most useful.
There is "problem drinker" to use for the person who becomes a threat to others when he drinks.
Anyway checking around definitions differ, some use mine some yours, so i guess not even experts agree on that.
Fair enough. I've always regarded it as similar to any drug addiction and wouldn't call a fun drinker an alcoholic if they were able to stop drinking for a few days, a week or even a month when they needed to, which thankfully I was.
You can be fully addicted to a substance without it causing you any significant problem in life. The most common example is coffee for many millions of people (not all coffee drinkers of course).Many coffee drinkers have significant problems if they stop completly for a week. Those are addicts, coffeholics.For me an alcoholic is someone who if he stops drinking for a week has s
If you're drinking enough to actually cause physical withdrawal symptoms (i.e. DTs), you're basically in tramp drinking cheap aftershave territory. The vast majority of people I'd call "alcoholics" don't get anywhere near that point. Keep in mind "cravings" are not really physical withdrawals, they're psychological withdrawals, unlike getting "sick" for a heroin addict, for example.
I can quit drinking. I do it every night.
Or, as George Best put it "in 1969 I gave up smoking, women, and alcohol. Worst 20 minutes of my life".
If you're drinking enough to actually cause physical withdrawal symptoms (i.e. DTs), you're basically in tramp drinking cheap aftershave territory. The vast majority of people I'd call "alcoholics" don't get anywhere near that point. Keep in mind "cravings" are not really physical withdrawals, they're psychological withdrawals, unlike getting "sick" for a heroin addict, for exa
I've had DTs more times than I can remember and was never tempted to start morning drinking. I drank most evenings for pleasure with others and never alone and enjoyed taking a break from it every now and then so I don't think I met the alcoholic criteria (despite often pushing it further than others wanted to), unlike one guy I often drank with for a couple of years who was often so visibly pissed in the afternoon he came close to losing his job over it.
I've had DTs more times than I can remember and was never tempted to start morning drinking. I drank most evenings for pleasure with others and never alone and enjoyed taking a break from it every now and then so I don't think I met the alcoholic criteria (despite often pushing it further than others wanted to), unlike one guy I often drank with for a couple of years who came c
I doubt you had DTs. People say that without knowing what it really is. Real DTs can be fatal.
shaking, shivering, irregular heart rate, and sweating
Come on
Well it says it lasts several days but I found that the hair of the dog soon halted my research into that possibility.
Alcohol doesn’t have real physical withdrawals? Like heroin? You sure about that ? Wanna bet ?
Yeah some of you have massive delusions about what an unhealthy relationship with alcohol or functional alcoholism looks like. "He's not an alcoholic, he doesn't drink in the morning, sometimes doesn't drink at lunch, doesn't get DTs..." bro, it's time to stop and think.
