Israel/Palestine thread
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nah, the world started and ended on 10/7/23
If Israel is justified in killing 50k Palestinians due to Oct 7,
Is Palestine justified in attacking Israel on Oct 7 due to the 10k Palestinian the IDF has killed from 2006 to 2023?
Is Palestine justified in attacking Israel on Oct 7 due to the 10k Palestinian the IDF has killed from 2006 to 2023?
the question of whether hamas were justified in raping and murdering a bunch of teenage music festival attendees is not a difficult one iyam. i go with 'no'
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re who is to blame for palestinian civilian deaths, mostly hamas for kicking things off and then conducting their operations out of schools and hospitals
apparently 500+ palestinians have been killed in the west bank since 10/7, which is weird because there are no hamas or hostages there. anyway are they justified in doing a genocide now?
apparently 500+ palestinians have been killed in the west bank since 10/7, which is weird because there are no hamas or hostages there. anyway are they justified in doing a genocide now?
that's very low, and you might be surprised but Hamas people are in the west bank as well and it's fully moral for Israel to kill each and everyone of them wherever they are found.
also you might be surprised to learn Hamas isn't the only terrorist organization with roots among palestinians (and all of those different organizationse have to be eradicated as well)
to repeat the fool offering no solution
https://www.theguardian.com/world/articl...
The head of Israel’s security agency, Shin Bet, has warned the country’s leaders that Jewish terrorism in the West Bank is out of control and has become a serious threat to national security.
Ronen Bar issued the warning in a letter to the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, the attorney general and members of the Israeli cabinet, some of whom are outspoken backers of the extremist settlers responsible for the escalating violence.
Bar’s letter, sent last week but published by Israel’s Channel 12 News on Thursday night, has highlighted the wide, acrimonious gap between the far-right wing of Netanyahu’s coalition and Israel’s security apparatus.
The national security minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, one of those criticised by Bar for inflammatory behaviour, called for the Shin Bet head to be fired, triggering a rebuke on Friday from the defence minister, Yoav Gallant.
Bar’s letter focused on Jewish extremists known as the “hilltop youth”, violent militants who have been conducting a campaign of murder, arson and intimidation against Palestinians on the West Bank, aimed at driving them from their land, furthering the far right’s pursuit of complete annexation.
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The security chief, who has been in the post since 2021, said he had reluctantly decided to send the letter “with pain and great fear, as a Jew, as an Israeli and as a security official, about the escalating phenomenon of Jewish terrorism from the ‘hilltop youth’”, which he felt was approaching a tipping point.
“We’re on the threshold of a significant, reality-changing process,” Bar wrote. “The damage to Israel, especially at this time, and to the majority of the settlers is indescribable: a loss of global legitimacy even among our best friends, deploying IDF forces at a time the army, which isn’t meant to deal with these missions, is finding it difficult to carry out all its tasks.”
The nationalist leadership, Bar concluded, was “willing to jeopardise the state’s security and its very existence” in the name of their ideology.
Monsterous and stupid as some other fool might put it
the question of whether hamas were justified in raping and murdering a bunch of teenage music festival attendees is not a difficult one iyam. i go with 'no'
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re who is to blame for palestinian civilian deaths, mostly hamas for kicking things off and then conducting their operations out of schools and hospitals
Israel has been torturing and raping Palestinian men for the last 17 years. Literally thousands of victims being held in torture centers.
Hamas was wrong for what they did.
Israel is much more wrong for what it does.
That means Hamas can defend itself ya?
Israel has been torturing and raping Palestinian men for the last 17 years. Literally thousands of victims being held in torture centers.
Hamas was wrong for what they did.
Israel is much more wrong for what it does.
That means Hamas can defend itself ya?
How is hamas defending itself? What grade are you giving them?
Even if we conpletely remove all morality on whether what hamas did on oct 7 was good or bad, how are they or thr palesrinians as a whole better off?
If Israel is justified in killing 50k Palestinians due to Oct 7,
Is Palestine justified in attacking Israel on Oct 7 due to the 10k Palestinian the IDF has killed from 2006 to 2023?
The Palestinian side continues to get pounded over and over again. Do you think it's wise to attack Israel? Israel is still a beautiful country. Gaza not so much. Are the Palestinians ever going to learn their lesson?
How is hamas defending itself? What grade are you giving them?
Even if we conpletely remove all morality on whether what hamas did on oct 7 was good or bad, how are they or thr palesrinians as a whole better off?
The terrorist ideology is a losing ideology for the civilians. It's a lucrative industry to be in for Hamas and the other 30 terrorist organizations tunneling through Gaza.
How is hamas defending itself? What grade are you giving them?
Even if we conpletely remove all morality on whether what hamas did on oct 7 was good or bad, how are they or thr palesrinians as a whole better off?
Well Israel has been fighting a war against the Palestinians since 1940. Palestinians are now cornered. Cornered people fight back in order to resist extermination.
They are much better off now long term because the world has borne witness to the tragedies and atrocities IDF is commiting.
Israel has been torturing and raping Palestinian men for the last 17 years. Literally thousands of victims being held in torture centers.
Hamas was wrong for what they did.
Israel is much more wrong for what it does.
That means Hamas can defend itself ya?
Yes. Much more wrong
If you kill 10 people
And someone else kills 100 people
One is much more wrong than the other
The 1953 coup against the dubiously elected Mosaddegh was actually carried out by pro-Shah Iranians. The CIA, encouraged by the British whose Iranian oil interests had just been forcibly nationalised, did some orchestration and funding, but I think it's now recognised that their role was not as great as Kermit Roosevelt Jr, who claimed to be the CIA officer in charge, suggested in his much-disputed memoir. The really bad thing about it is that it gave the CIA ideas above its station, and the age
The coup was stage managed by the CIA. The Shah lost his nerve and was fleeing. He had to be talked down by the U.S.
Don't bother with Roosevelt's account. The definitive history is Stephen Kinzer's [I]All The Shah's Men: An American Coup...
The one who attacks first is more wrong. The one who intends on killing civilians is more wrong. Hamas is clearly more wrong.
No. Killing people is wrong. The more people you kill, the worse it is. The rest are justifications.
Here, as an example. If Israel kills 1 million Palestinians because of Oct 7, is it wrong?
How about 5 million?
what do you call it when you cordon massive amounts of people into smaller and smaller areas?
I dont know bc I have never read a history book and comparisons are antisemitic.
Well Israel has been fighting a war against the Palestinians since 1940. Palestinians are now cornered. Cornered people fight back in order to resist extermination.
They are much better off now long term because the world has borne witness to the tragedies and atrocities IDF is commiting.
They would have been much better off if they had admitted defeat in 2007 and taken all the billions in aid to build infrastructure, education and a middle class.
Well Israel has been fighting a war against the Palestinians since 1940. Palestinians are now cornered. Cornered people fight back in order to resist extermination.
They are much better off now long term because the world has borne witness to the tragedies and atrocities IDF is commiting.
I think its a little too ambitious to think rhat. Woulsnyou have thought after on Sept 12 2001? All it did was lead to the US killing millions and packing up and going home. Nothing sifferent ia going to happen this time.
They would have been much better off if they had admitted defeat in 2007 and taken all the billions in aid to build infrastructure, education and a middle class.
This has nothing to do with what we are talking about
I think its a little too ambitious to think rhat. Woulsnyou have thought after on Sept 12 2001? All it did was lead to the US killing millions and packing up and going home. Nothing sifferent ia going to happen this time.
Israel isn’t the US.
its cool, the Mosque was Hamas
I think Mohammed Dief was there. they just killed him for the 52nd time.
