whats's the point of playing anymore...........

Chamath is and always has been a grifter clown.

That's an odd way of saying you're jealous and unhappy.

I’ve never desired to grift off the public like he did with SPACs. Nor would o go around claiming I’m the “new Buffett” if everything I did was the opposite of how Buffett invests and handles himself.

That's an odd way of saying you weren't aware that wealthy people don't act moralistically. Surprised that you think Buffet does. But to each their own.

Surprised you don’t know Buffett has been well known for his high morals throughout his career, it’s a big reason he can do handshake deals.

But even if he wasn’t, it’s much worse to admire someone you admit is immoral.

[QUOTE=DesertCat;58694815]Surprised you don’t know Buffett has been well known for his high morals throughout his career, it’s a big reason he can do handshake deals.

So whatever, you believe Buffet is more moral than Chamath. That's an odd hill to die on. And one riddled with too many presuppositions for my tastes. KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid.

Poker rooms are filled with long term recs.Walk into any poker room tonight and 50-75 percent of the people in those rooms are just that.

Sure I've seen some players a couple of times and then never again. But the average poker room has a few hundred players who lose for years on end and keep coming back. Now if 1000 recs go to a poker room in a few years period maybe 200-300 stick around for a long time and a lot just play a few times but that doesn't make the long term recs that rare.

Laliberte is not a good example of anyone normal in poker. He was an ultra whale at giga stakes games. Guys like that are obviously super rare.

It's easy to be engaging at 3am. At 3am half the room is on monkey tilt, people want to drink including me,most of the back packers have gone home etc. Now at 5pm with tables full of regs on headphones and tablets it can be difficult.

I only believe things that I have good reason to believe. Besides reading everything Buffett has ever written, I read two bios of him, bios of his mentor and his partner, interviews with other investors and CEOs who have worked with him and with clients of his.

Everything is very consistent. Him and his partner regularly preach about the need to treat partners, investors, clients, customers, and employees fairly and ethically. People who worked with him, worked for him, were clients of his or invested with him all pretty much say he treated them ethically and fairly.

Lastly, he’s never had any reason to rip off clients or anyone because he’s the world’s greatest investor. He made a tremendous amount from his first round of clients by earning them some of the highest returns in hedge fund history. He made enough that he stopped taking a profit share when he took over Berkshire Hathaway and basically basically let them invest with him for free. Your Berkshire Hathaway just takes a small salary and it’s 200,000 a year now. He doesn’t care cause he owns 10 of billions of dollars of stock.

While not absolute proof that he doesn’t torture puppies in his private life, It’s pretty strong evidence he is a far more ethical guy than Chamath who took absolute Shitcos like Virgin Galactic public then dumped his stock on the unsuspecting retail investors before the price crashed. Buffett wouldn’t touch Chamaths garbage companies because he understands investing and how to value businesses, which Chamath does not. He only understands how to promote and pump and dump garbage.

https://www.newcomer.co/p/the-scam-in-the-arena

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The Scam in the Arena

Chamath may be a grifter ( I honestly don't know enough about him) but that doesn't mean he isn't right about this.

He might be right, but if so its likey by accident, as he's not some AI expert. All his jobs have been finance/marketing positions and he often, seems to just repeat what more technically astute people tell him.

I debated leaving out the Chamath tweet altogether as I knew his name would probably draw this type of attention. His words were used to spark the conversation on the Solve4Why podcast which is why I included it. I think everyone on that podcast apart from Friedberg is a morally bankrupt, awful human, who would do anything to make money. The pod is complete brainrot.

The conversation here is a microcosm of why society at large is so cooked. We idolise these idiots purely because they have money and if anyone criticizes them it is because they are broke idiots who are jealous.

Couple of broke losers below calling them out 😆

Re: David Sacks

by BlackJackDegen k

I'd love a training sites where I can play against other people which has the GTO answers built into the system (Site approved RTA) purely because it would make practicing poker more interactive and fun for playing live. The same way all these scumbags who used RTA ended up being great live players. Seems like the ultimate study/practice method. I do understand why no one is rushing to implement this anytime soon!!!

https://www.palladiummag.com/2024/05/17/my-last-five-years-of-work/

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My Last Five Years of Work

I can't understand why you want to play with RTA against another human while he uses RTA too. There a lot of GTO trainers out there that you can use to play against GTO ranges and GTO sizings, there is no need for another human to make the inputs. Just buy wizard bro, there you can do everything you said.

Unless you think that people are going to deviate from solver even with RTA. Which doesn't make that much sense since you are using RTA too. Maybe you can try a different strategy that is slightly losing compared to the best strategy, but that will also be a waste of time.

Your completely right, I hadn't thought this through properly at all. I imagined people deviating based on play but as you say if everyone is using it, why would anyone be deviating. I guess what I really want is to be able to use RTA in a normal type pool purely for education purposes. That is obviously not possible unless someone in the future can build a simulated environment with specific player types.

I have used wizard/trainers in the past, I just found it a little dry in terms of gamifying the whole thing. This was a while ago and I guess what put it into my mind was watching how good all the online RTA cheaters where live because obviously playing with the answers for huge volume online you can get very good, very quickly , I have no interest these days in trying to get better at poker.

Sure you are lmao, one thing about recs is they always have some massive ego about irrelevant things.

I don't know about live, but online that's not the case at all as the data shows. In the daily tournaments I play, I can hardly give 10+ names of people who are mega losers who keep playing and playing and playing.

Online you're absolutely right. The same thing would be true live if the good players could basically clone themselves and play a bunch of tables at once.

I love how it is.

In 2015 Piosolver came out. 9 years ago. It was known at that time that pros had like 3+ years advantage as they had their custom solvers. Maybe even more. It was obvious these can be used as RTA. Creating a solver was a big deal, making it automatic / abstracting it so you can folllow during play compared to that was ridic easy.

At that times the pro's and poker influencers were parroting all sorts of stupid reasons why it can't really be used as RTA (they would be caught instantly!!444) , or even if its used its subpar to exploitative poker.

9 years later they admit oldschool solvers are a problem, albeit they try to make it seems like its not as rampant and game integrity teams are mostly on top of the issue.

What most are silent about is AI... sure, when a player is stupid enough to follow GTO lines 90%+ of the time they are easily catchable. When a smarter player use oldschool solver for RTA he can make adjustments. Still can be caught tho, but chances are slim.

But how do you catch an AI playing? Different AIs can have different playing styles. You can just upload all of your datamined hands and train it and the AI will play according to these adjustments. It won't be GTO as it depends on the database you feed into it. And what people forget these AIs don't have to play perfect poker as they don't battle in an University pokerbot championship. Even bots that were hardcore programmed with if then statements could beat midstakes+ like 20+ year ago.

So anybody have idea how a custom AI RTA can be detected?

Oopsy

95% of daily tourney players are losers. No one can beat the $15 rake on that $120 buy in except the guy who’s sunrunning

custom AI anti cheat

He's also essentially a scam artist, and mostly just an finfluencer at this stage.

its hard for me to believe that poker sites can / want to pay the top guys in the field. AI research is blooming and syphon up most talented people. Not too much money in poker AI other than cheating.

Lot of computational power is needed to simulate different AI in the lots of different poker formats. Then they can have sample to train the 'custom anti cheat AI'.

And then you need to constantly monitor the games.

The pokerrooms who had bots / cheaters in the last 1-2 years didnt seem to care too much about it other than PR. They couldnt even catch oldschool bots. 30 profiles with identical stats? No problem. I think if theres any good anti cheat AI in place we would see way more people getting caught. Hard for me to imagine they rush and pay the best experts. People don't realize how much money it is to run these investigations.

Even if a site could pour money into all this stuff, you aren't magically going to turn online poker around and see some kind of sustained boom. The bots are a very small reason behind the overall decline in online poker so the investment to reward isn't very attractive. The issue is that they are an existential risk to the ecosystem that remains. Your left with the current situation in which the sites pay lip service towards tackling the problem to keep the ecosystem alive for as long as possible.

It is the same thing I posted earlier in the thread , you have an ecosystem where some players are still winning (prob many of them cheating), sites are still collecting rake and neither have any incentive for things to change. So as long as the losing payers keep showing up to prop up the current farce who cares if they are losing money through lack of skill or being cheated.