[LOW] 1/3 KQo vs Recreational 550 effective, Jam or call?

Grunch - seems like a super standard call. I see no benefit in shipping?

Preflop go to 10-15. Can go higher. No point in the small raise, except if you had a hand like 44 you might want to play like 5-way.

Flop, GTO often recommend 1/4 pot sizing, but again no point in cbetting small without a purpose, like bluffing or drawing cheaply. Should almost never be using this sizing for value.

He made a click-it-back raise at a tiny cbet, which makes it harder to read. I would still just call down though.

Sorry I was on my phone and couldn't find the password for this account on it.. and thought it was a good time to post results.

yes, when you limp 80% of your hands, you're a loose passive fish.

A whale is a much bigger fish, someone who doesn't care about money and goes broke with 10 buy-in's in an hour, calls you down with bottom pair, and tries to bluff almost every hand.

There are probably some stickies up above to further clarify all the poker lingo, since it might be a little confusing at first.

No reads on us since I just played a couple of hands and I doubt he is paying attention, I'm seen as a regular since I was topping up my 200bb stack.

I don't know how I can take people that say fold river seriously in this post.. obviously Villain has a lot of KT, K9 that are betting river.. the question is, is he folding to a shove?

After this hand I played more against him and I think I would have given him more credit for being competent post flop, so I would have just called river, with the information I had at the time I would have been happy if I had made a small re raise to 240.

Preflop I should have made it bigger, I was experimenting with different sizes but I think its really dumb.. this table was full of recreationals that were opening to 5-8 BBs and getting 3 to 4 calls..

Flop I'm also getting tired of betting small multiway vs recreationals when I have it since I think most of them don't even look at the percentage of the pot I'm betting when its the flop, they just look at the amount.. so betting 20 in a 30€ pot is almost the same as if the pot was 45€

Also I don't think fold preflop is a comment that has any merits, this table was full of recreationals that would call with dominated hands, 3bets were always the nuts, stacks were not that deep, so I like KQ better than some suited connector.

Yes, pre should be raised more than a min-raise, raise to like 15 then bet around h/p otf. I would truly prefer folding it instaed of making it 7 dollars from UTG in a 1/3 game.

You played it fine except I would of called the river but that's just me. Obviously it's hard to read someone from a sentance on a website without looking at him and watching him play which is the easist read to see.

Yes, it was

idk i think pre strategy is pretty flawed. would be looking to split range here into open limping and some larger raises with good hands. you probably literally never the blinds preflop with a small raise when this guy has position on you / the table in general so i don't really see any point to a small raise. guess you can argue small raise is your limp in this scenario but think it's leaving alot of money on the table to be opening to 7 in this lineup with good hands. given everyone is bad and people cant just raise with nothing because this guy is always seeing the flop i don't think you can really get exploited. can maybe change things in later positions but yeah.

post idk man. your hand is almost certainly good enough to go with vs him otf if we think he got all kx (this is before even assuming he sometimes 3bs the best kx, sometimes slowplays fullhouses, can also have random pocket pairs that are raising).

i mean vs 22, k2s+, k8o+ you got like 62% equity otf. think u can just 3b and go for it with the assumption this guy is never going to fold a king if you have no reason to think hes going to bluff and you're unwilling to get the money in on any non Q runout. like i said in practice i think your equity vs his flop range is going to be higher as id expect him to slowplay fullhouses, particularly k2 a good amount and to sometimes have like AA or 88 or whatever that just starts clicking. you got ~65.5 vs k2o+,k2s+,22 and 69.55 vs k2o-kqo,k2-kqs,22 (this is the case of him 3betting AK pre). gets better if we discount / ignore him having fullhouses (yes he had them but don't know the frequency he raises them and would have assumed he'd trap prior to this).

flop sizing strat seems flawed too vs these guys (they don't care about mdf and i doubt bluffing is going to be a large component of your game plan here so i'd just polarize and bet bigger in general even on textures that don't seem suited for it). would rather x than bet 1/4 pot esp if the conclusion we come to is he isn't raising trips enough of the time for you to 3b

the guys saying to fold the river while still advocating this line prior to it just don't get it lol. if you truly think he won't bet the river without AK+ how can you check lol? imagine coolering 80 vpip player who is over calling k2o vs ep raiser and winning 20bb while 185bb deep

Nothing confusing. You’re just wrong. As you have been pretty consistently. Good job on the consistency.

The point is that THIS villain has plenty of worse Kx. Like what are you even arguing here?

Can you explain why someone who limps 80% of hands is not a loose passive fish.

Someone who plays many hands is a whale.

I understand some need to define a whale as someone who “goes broke with 10 buyin’s in an hour” because without that player they wouldn’t be winning. But 80% vpip is a whale.

That's simply not the definition as most of the people on this forum or as most of the definitions on the web.

I'm not sure why you're fighting this.

80% vpip is a whale.

Not hard.

It's semantics. Someone with an 80% vpip would probably be considered a whale in a 5/10 game. It is pretty unusual even in a 1/3 game.

It is indeed semantics and not very interesting tbh. The point is that he's a bad player. OK there can be a bit of a debate about whether someone who punts off preflop will automatically do the same postflop, but I refuse to believe anyone who says that someone with 80% VPIP can suddenly engage a smart poker brain postflop.

The main question is does the guy turn up at the river with all Kx and will he call off to a raise. There has been a healthy debate on this. I think this player will call off with worse often enough to make this a profitable raise, but someone with 80% VPIP should provide some clues pretty quickly about how they play postflop so once you've been at the table for half an hour you'll probably start to get some idea of what's the best play. If in a hypothetical exercise I was told that they were 80% VPIP but we had no postflop info I could be persuaded that it's just a call but we don't need many worse Kx to call off.

Arguing over nomenclature is pretty stupid. I view a "whale" as someone who is splashy and not afraid to lose money. I personally wouldn't call someone with 80% VPIP a "whale" if they're doing more limping and chasing vs. betting/raising. YMMV

Call it semantics. Just don’t pretend someone who plays 80% of hands is somehow decent or good postflop. Doesn’t happen.