Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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all of the pro-Israel people in this thread who spent months swearing up and down that there would be no settlements or full time occupation are gone now.
They are keeping the north, crowding people even further into the south. Recipe for endless strife.
seems that way. they are building more corridors including in the far north. these will be perpetual targets for the Resistance.
whats it called when you cordon people off into smaller and smaller areas? probably cant say.
Maybe they got Dief this time
this is why we must give them trillions of small precision arms !!!
wait...
tankies cut off the supply of smart bombs so we had to drop a bunch of 500lb bombs on tents. whaddaya gunna do?
all of the pro-Israel people in this thread who spent months swearing up and down that there would be no settlements or full time occupation are gone now.
I have been saying for months that Israel spending so much resources on developing corridors indicates they weren't planning on leaving anytime soon.
Why in the world would Israel make giant corridors and pave them if they weren't going to stay?
I dont know how well you know inter-MENA politics, but by this announcement Turkey is actually indirectly allying with Israel against the Iran axis (which includes Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, Houthi, Iraq Shiite groups and Palestinians).
Like most Muslim majority countries, the Muslim street in all all these countries is tremendously antisemitic as a matter of principle; so framing this as being "anti-Israeli" is a way to get their population to buy in. But this is not a negative political development for Israel in any way.
A moderate amount.
I'd agree that Turkey becoming a more credible alternative support for the Palastinians could be very good and even lead to a solution (nort in the short term). Shame we helped **** up turkey as well so it could be very bad.
A huge mistake I think too many make (negotiations are a great example of this) is looking at the current/historical positions and believing that tell us the final positions.
the video of the baby with a diaper but no brain and her scalp flapping about was pretty gruesome and shocking ofc. but I mean, we have all seen that before and Im pretty sure her first words were "Israel has no right to exist" anyway.
but later we also get to see the craters caused by 2k bombs in the sand on tents.
no gore I dont think but you can never be never be too careful with the pro-Israel people.
Spoiler
i guess thats what kopala has been working around the clock on. congrats
Pallyworld?
A moderate amount.
I'd agree that Turkey becoming a more credible alternative support for the Palastinians could be very good and even lead to a solution (nort in the short term). Shame we helped **** up turkey as well so it could be very bad.
A huge mistake I think too many make (negotiations are a great example of this) is looking at the current/historical positions and believing that tell us the final positions.
How did we **** up Turkey? They elected Erdogan, and he dismantled the democracy and jailed most of his political opponents, and made himself more or less a dictator. Pretty standard 3rd world stuff.
Lots of people jumping to conclusions here. Doubtless the tents full of people concealed signs of an underground hospital, which concealed an even further underground tunnel network. This crater is actually clear evidence of minimizing civilian casualties.
How did we **** up Turkey? They elected Erdogan, and he dismantled the democracy and jailed most of his political opponents, and made himself more or less a dictator. Pretty standard 3rd world stuff.
Before they elected erdegan there was a political battle being won by the progressive western focused democratic side vs erdogan. They were desperate to join us as partners and unstead of embracing then with open arms we (the EU) ****ed them over and they lost.
Sorry for the derail. I've banged on enough in the past about what I consider the biggest geopolitical failure of my lifetime. The rest of my post stands - I think turkey will play an increasingly important role with it being very unclear how.
Swiss parliament lower house votes to immediatly suspend all donations to UNRWA . Upper house confirmation still needed.
Before they elected erdegan there was a political battle being won by the progressive western focused democratic side vs erdogan. They were desperate to join us as partners and unstead of embracing then with open arms we (the EU) ****ed them over and they lost.
Sorry for the derail. I've banged on enough in the past about what I consider the biggest geopolitical failure of my lifetime. The rest of my post stands - I think turkey will play an increasingly important role with it being very unclear
Erdogan was actually the modernizing one for a while that's the sad part, he then had to pivot because otherwise he would have lost elections.
France (not us, just France) was adamantly against Turkey in the EU since forever that never changed.
Germany as well and probably others
The details can be debated but as turkey began to realise the attitude of the EU, they inevitably moved in a different political direction. The progressive forces we're arguing to join the eu - 'we' ****ed them.
Germany as well and probably others
The details can be debated but as turkey began to realise the attitude of the EU, they inevitably moved in a different political direction. The progressive forces we're arguing to join the eu - 'we' ****ed them.
Erdogan party was already ruling the country when we started negotiations for full membership (in 2005). They didn't fullfill almost anything in 10 years and then human rights violations, Islamization and so on started to creep in
Lots of people jumping to conclusions here. Doubtless the tents full of people concealed signs of an underground hospital, which concealed an even further underground tunnel network. This crater is actually clear evidence of minimizing civilian casualties.
they literally claimed it was a Hamas command center
Erdogan party was already ruling the country when we started negotiations for full membership (in 2005). They didn't fullfill almost anything in 10 years and then human rights violations, Islamization and so on started to creep in
Last post from me on this in this thread. You start far too late. Here's a potted history
Turkey's ambition to join the European Union has gone through multiple ups and downs since the application was first submitted in 1987.
Turkey knows a thing or two about being on the doorstep of the European Union.
The country of almost 85 million people holds the unfortunate record of the longest process to join the bloc: 36 years – and counting. No other candidate state in Eastern Europe or the Western Balkans comes even close to matching Turkey's protracted path to EU membership.
In fact, since Turkey submitted its official application on 14 April 1987 to be part of what was then the European Economic Community (EEC), 16 countries have seen their bids green-lighted, making Ankara's omission even more glaring.
After a continued succession of ups and downs, promises and threats, it has become apparent that Turkey's accession is a unique case of policy-making that Brussels has not quite learned how to manage.
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who believes this crap?
You don't believe Barak?
