2024 Presidential Debate 2 Electric Boogaloo
Starting off to a great start where first question is not answered and ignored and they just go straight into talking points
ah you saw that before the edit, i did add an apology for that fwiw
fwiw i don't think we were convincing anyone, at least that was not my intention, and seeing how my stuff is received via the thread, if i convinced them of anything, it was the opposite of any claims i made about your domicile (or anything else apparently)
i'll lay off it and am sorry, didn't realize i'd taken it too far, please take it easy on me as I'm only 4th in the iq power rankings 😀
All good. I legit don't care about the other stuff. Fire when ready.
For reasons that I don't want to explain more than I have already, I tend to react to negatively when I think people are making unfounded assumptions about my starting point in life, but that's partly my problem. And I don't mean to imply that I was homeless, a refugee, or hustling for food. That certainly wasn't the case. Loads of people face more obstacles in life than I ever have.
Idk - he treats politics like business. Business is much more cut throat if you **** up. Politics seems like you get a free pass and there is a certain amount or should be that you can get away with. Look at the head of the SS wanting to hold onto her job and not even being fired after that whacko took a shot at Trump.
The problem with this argument is that Trump doesn't fire people for incompetence. He fires them for disloyalty, because they refuse to flatter him, or because he needs a scapegoat.
Competence is negatively correlated with one's ability to survive in a high level position in the Trump administration.
Ben Carson and Betsy Devos were probably the most incompetent members of Trump's cabinet. And they were among the very few who made it through the whole term.
Ben Carson and Betsy Devos were probably the most incompetent members of Trump's cabinet. And they were among the very few who made it through the whole term.
And not cabinet members, because they could never be confirmed, but Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner were senior advisors. Clearly in over their heads and unqualified, but loyal. Bad for the country but good for Trump to commit crimes, abuse power etc.
yeah i know but i'd rather do a protest vote than for something i genuinely want to be overthrown via revolution because i see no way of fixing and cleaning this up under the way it currently exists
you're also wildy off base about the viability of a 3rd party - you think jill stein chose to boycott the debate?
you think she was just lazy about getting on the ballot in only half the states?
the two parties ensure that no other party will ever be viable, this in turn ensures that no viable party/can
In Canada and in provincial Quebec , both political system only had 2 real parties for couple decades .
Now it’s like 4-5 parties .
It can take a long time but changes happens but u need a third party to start somewhere , which will lose badly a couple times and when they succeed a bit probably others will appears afterward and then u will be mad you can choose between 4-5 parties because one party will be able to get full power with like 25% of votes due to too much votes being divide by too many choices lol …
Like we have here shrug .
All I’m saying is it’s easier to changes policies from within and the belief having 4-5 choices ain’t better .
Look how Israel works , now Canada , stuck with forced alliance to remain in power and when it breaks go back Into election every 2-3 years if one party decides to think he can win ….
Often times the grass is greener at the neighbors but it ain’t .
yeah i get that, major reason why i was openly hoping for a military junta during covid and just hoping the rng spat out a singapore or even china instead of a north korea
would much rather have highspeed rail and not lead the world in bridge collapses per capita than be able to vote between harris and trump
Well, at least you're spared voting for a party only for them to go into a surprise coalition with a party you despise. On the flip-side, you do also get those moments where you vote small and through coalitions your main issues get passed.
Multi-party systems tend to be more about towing the party line, with less room for individual conviction. So in that sense, how the US two-party system used to be a few decades ago, with both parties spanning the political spectrum, could be more diverse than a multi-party system. These days only the Democrats are really a coalition party. Your country really needs the GOP returning to coalition party for any chance at politics becoming healthier. Right now it is just MAGA and whatever weird ideological lump US conservatism has become.
it's absolutely false that the gop aren't a coalition party, we just saw the party split over Israel and Ukraine aid for example.
and they passed it against trump opposition, but nada, you guys cannot admit politics is still working as normal, trump isn't special, and maga isn't special either.
a lot of republicans aren't abortion extremists, some are.
they are split on international trade, antitrust issues and many other things.
but ofc the narrative must always treat nativism and a dislike of immigration as unacceptable politically ever if there always were such sentiments in the American mainstream and even if Build america buy America passes in a bipartisan way
it's absolutely false that the gop aren't a coalition party, we just saw the party split over Israel and Ukraine aid for example.
and they passed it against trump opposition, but nada, you guys cannot admit politics is still working as normal, trump isn't special, and maga isn't special either.
a lot of republicans aren't abortion extremists, some are.
they are split on international trade, antitrust issues and many other things.
but ofc the narrative must always treat nativism and a dislike of immi
I do enjoy how consistently wrong you are about my political beliefs. It's like watching someone fight a mannequin while angrily yelling my name.
The point is that MAGA controls the GOP whenever it needs to. There is only freedom whenever MAGA doesn't care or has moved onto whining about something else. It can never be a coalition party as long as this is true, because MAGA ideologically always win the day.
There is no political spine to the party, thus it is for all intents and purposes morally and intellectually bankrupt.
I do enjoy how consistently wrong you are about my political beliefs. It's like watching someone fight a mannequin while angrily yelling my name.
The point is that MAGA controls the GOP whenever it needs to. There is only freedom whenever MAGA doesn't care or has moved onto whining about something else. It can never be a coalition party as long as this is true, because MAGA ideologically always win the day.
There is no political spine to the party, thus it is for all intents and purposes morally
maga doesn't "control the gop", otherwise help to Ukraine would not have even started the process in the house, plain and simple.
and "no money to Ukraine" is a VERY big theme for MAGA. "end the forever wars", and so on
The problem with this argument is that Trump doesn't fire people for incompetence. He fires them for disloyalty, because they refuse to flatter him, or because he needs a scapegoat.
Again same with these Wall Street businesses - whether it is incompetence, disloyalty or they need a scapegoat there will always be victims whether they are fired or forced to resign.
it's absolutely false that the gop aren't a coalition party, we just saw the party split over Israel and Ukraine aid for example.
and they passed it against trump opposition, but nada, you guys cannot admit politics is still working as normal, trump isn't special, and maga isn't special either.
a lot of republicans aren't abortion extremists, some are.
they are split on international trade, antitrust issues and many other things.
but ofc the narrative must always treat nativism and a dislike of immi
Doesn't say much that the one decision the party did unify behind was supporting the candidate who attempted to overturn the results of the last election.