2024 ELECTION THREAD

For my part I think once the rifle comes out of the duffle bag you've exited the realm of politics.

And, strategically, if you're going to abandon the political process for just straight up violence (under the guise of rebelling against tyrannical rule, or whatever), maybe wait two months and see how the election goes first? At least the Jan 6 crowd had that part figured out.

Harris and Biden have made statements. Who’s waiting?

After the last school shooting, JD Vance called the shootings a "fact of life." So Trump, buddy, zig zag as you play your next round of golf, what happens next to you might be a fact of life.

I suspect he meant everyday folks, randoms on social media etc. It's a given that the sitting president and the only other major party POTUS candidate would both want to immediately denounce the **** out of this. And I guarantee they both really mean it too.

trump's like catnip for lunatics. He's drawn out all the nuts.

There must be something to that whole reap the whirlwind thing.

you literally made a joke about this in the other thread. am I being trolled right now?

Unclear why ppl ITT said that the attempted assassination was perpetrated by a MAGA fanatic

This is one tweet this year by the suspect

He was interviewed in 2023 by the NYT for his efforts at trying to find volunteers willing to fight in Ukraine.

Whole twitter thread with receipts here

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/183545471...

Who knows if any shooting even happened. I don’t trust anything coming from the deep state secret service. This is probably a fake profile they’ve been using in case of a false flag incident like this. How convenient of a narrative.

Jk I’m not maga I don’t just make random crap up to fulfill my narrative

ya a quick google searches told me he is super pro Ukraine and anti trump and he had that tweet recently

Who could have guessed that claims about democracy being at risk if Trump wins could have fomented violence against Trump

Trump attempted to overturn the results of the last election. Claiming he's a threat to democracy is an objective fact. If there are nutjobs who think violence is a way to handle domestic threats against Democracy then the problem is with those nutjobs, not with the people stating objective facts.

Who could have guessed that this would be your reaction?

I love this idea that assassination attempts against Trump could only be a product of Democratic rhetoric. It really holds up to scrutiny.

When you constantly refer to the candidate as Hitler and that we will lose democracy it can lead to actions like this . If this had been an attempt on Joe or Kamala MSNBC and CNN would be blaming Trumps rhetoric

Hm not only no, i didn't write the same for the previous attempt, in that case it appeared the guy wanted to make "history" and he searched for other names as well before landing with Trump because he was going to have a rally close to where the guy lived.

In this case though the guy was radicalized by DNC propaganda as it looks clearly from his ample social media content production

Sounds like the guy might be one of those rabid maskers too.

The idea that the attempt was illegal is still TBD, that isn't an objective fact, which is why proceedings are ongoing (and just restarted recently) and he isn't in jail (yet?).

Can't claim someone is a criminal until a court says so in general.

And can't claim that claiming someone is guilty of an exceptionally serious crime, before you have a court confirming that, has no consequences in society.

I didn't claim he was a criminal. I claimed he attempted to overturn the results of an election. He's been indicted for doing so. In the US justice system, suspects who indicted of crimes are considered threats to society, and many times detained until their trials because of it.

And btw trump is a convicted criminal.

doesnt seem there is a single mainstream liberal talking point that this guy doesnt fervently support. weird.

Legally attempting to overturn the results of an election is not a threat to democracy. Asking for a recount for example is not a threat to democracy.

I don't know or care what MSNBC would do in your hypothetical. I have watched a grand total of ten minutes of MSNBC in the last twenty years.

My point is simple. You have to be insane to hold these two beliefs in your head at the same time: (i) violence on January 6 cannot be blamed on Trump's entirely false claims that the election was rigged or on his attempts to stay in office despite losing the election; and (ii) violence directed at Trump should be blamed on entirely true statements by Democrats that Trump tried to defy the results of an election and has no respect for democratic norms.

I mean, he is a fascist and this is important enough to merit the occasional mention.

Sure, he is more of a selfish and incompetent moron that stumbled into the ideology rather than one who got it from books or pamphlets. Still, we know from his acts as president that he opposes both democratic elections and peaceful transition of power, engaging in schemes to make the the former irrelevant and block the latter. It also seems clear that his cognitive decline and bouts of paranoia is what fuels his increasingly aggressive promises to oppress political opposition and a free press, but it's not like he did not also engage in it before.

In the hyper-partisan political environment of the US, this represents a clear danger to the Republic, as we see its checks and balances slowly buckling under pressure. The "rhetoric" you decry is mostly politicians bringing this up, as they should.

Meanwhile, your entire post is mostly performative nonsense anyway, because I haven't seen any aspect of Trumpism you aren't willing to defend with a well-placed #bothsidesbad, and he is a man with a long history of directly encouraging political violence.

Why must we pretend like asking for a recount and pressing completely false claims about riggage are the same thing?

Shortly after election day, the Defendant also pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election results. In so doing, the Defendant perpetrated three criminal conspiracies:

• 1. A conspiracy to defraud the United States by using dishonesty, fraud, and deceit to impair, obstruct, and defeat the lawful federal government function by which the results of the presidential election are collected, counted, and certified by the federal government, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 371
  
• 2. A conspiracy to corruptly obstruct and impede the January 6 congressional proceeding at which the collected results of the presidential election are counted and certified ("the certification proceeding"), in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)
  
• 3. A conspiracy against the right to vote and to have one's vote counted, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 241.[/I]
  

lol

but he seems more foreign policy oriented and his views are shared by almost everyone in power and certainly by all of the policy makers. he wants to fight the Russians, fight the Chinese, genocide the Arab Muslims, and enslave the Iranians. very standard liberal Western human rights and democracy.