TT in a multiway pot. River decision.

TT in a multiway pot. River decision.

5/5

~$700

MP is a 40 y o Iranian man who plays fairly loose. He is capable of bluffing with busted draws. But he is also pretty sticky and hates when someone bluffs against him.
There was one hand where I folded a pair on a board with four clubs. He saw my cards and said I played too tight; I shouldn’t let myself get outplayed by a bunch of donks.

SB - Euro reg

BB - VIP fish

Hero(UTG) TT raises to $20, MP calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop($80) 7 3 2

x x, Hero bets $25, MP calls, BB calls

Turn($130) 3

x, Hero bets $60, MP calls, BB folds

River($250) 9

Hero - ? MP(~$550)

x/call?
bet/fold?
overbet?

04 October 2024 at 12:30 AM
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I like check and let him bluff his missed flush draws and see if you can pick up any sizing or timing tells. Probably not folding to most river sizings and it's your only chance to get value from those holdings.


$200


Can/Will he bluff raise river? If not or highly unlikely, I like b/f with about a $100 bet, trying to get value from things like A7, 98, 88, etc.


I'm going half pot (~$125) and calling off a jam unless this guy is incapable


I think you can go bigger ott, like ~80-100.
If we were HU, this would be a good spot for a turn overbet imo; being 3way we probably should not overbet (?), but 2/3 to 3/4 pot seems fine.

As played, river:
- c/c if V is loose aggressive
- b/f ~150 if V is loose passive


c/c unless you're comfortable that your tens are good if you have to call off a jam; I'm not b/f'ing to him since he's capable of bluffing.


If he's capable of bluffing and also sticky, I think we can go either way, bet or check-call. But I think we make more by betting. He's probably not bluffing with his missed draws quite as often as he's calling a bet or checking back with his worse 1P. Think I might just bet pot or a little over.


by Bellezza k

5/5

~$700

MP is a 40 y o Iranian man who plays fairly loose. He is capable of bluffing with busted draws. But he is also pretty sticky and hates when someone bluffs against him.
There was one hand where I folded a pair on a board with four clubs. He saw my cards and said I played too tight; I shouldn’t let myself get outplayed by a bunch of donks.

SB - Euro reg

BB - VIP fish

Hero(UTG) TT raises to $20, MP calls, SB calls, BB calls

Flop($80) 7 3 2

x x, Hero bets $25, MP calls, BB calls

Turn($130) 3

x, Hero

I don't like the x/call option at all because this type of texture is not going to be bluffed very often. When I see players bluffing these spots on the river after calling twice then facing check they will use some laughably small size that we just can't derive a lot of value from. Plus when they check back stuff like 7x 9xhh 88 66 it's a disaster because these are the type of hands that will often call a big bet. Hearts bricked off the 9 really isn't a scary river so I think your opponent will be inclined to call 250-300 with basically any pair. If you get jammed on you can just fold, nobody with half a brain will bluff this spot for only a min raise left behind.


If you find yourself routinely betting half pot or less in similar spots it’s gotta be a sizable leak…


I would bet 150-175 and go from there. Bet fold is not off the table if he jams, but I think tells and history will make an impact.


I think it would be horrible to b/f that much there, if I was b/f'ing I would bet a lot less and most likely do it against a better player who I know if he raises we're beat but not against a known bluffer who thinks we sleep with monsters under the bed and will fold to a riase since he's already seen us fold a PP when there were 4 clubs (prob aa/kk, and he's wide pre so he has 3's in his range too) I prefer to let him bluff otr without having to go broke and if he checks back he's probably not calling a river bet anyway.


So...we're not betting our over-pair for value against a guy who'll pay off with worse 1P, because we're scared he turned bottom trips, but didn't raise when we bet less than 1/2 pot?

If we're scared to bet pot here, we should rack up and go home.


you bet the flop 4 ways i think your hand is pretty face up as an overpair.

i dont see how worse hands will call any decent sized bet. given your read of this guy id check and have him make a silly bluff.


by NittyOldMan1 k

you bet the flop 4 ways i think your hand is pretty face up as an overpair.

i dont see how worse hands will call any decent sized bet. given your read of this guy id check and have him make a silly bluff.

Respectfully, how is it that our hand is face up as an over pair here, yet in a very similar situation in another thread you said most of our range is unpaired over cards?

by NittyOldMan1 k

most of your range here is unpaired hands. with that range i assume you would want to check flop, big big on turn if checked to, and bet bigger on lots of rivers (as a bluff). seems like that would be wise here too.

i think a good question most NL players should ask themselves postflop is - "what does most of my range consist of on this board, and what would i do with it?"

In both hands, hero is the pre flop aggressor, and c-bet the flop on a low board that wasn't likely to connect with hero's range. There it was JJ in a 3B pot, on a board of 234rb, with a T on the turn. Here it's TT in a SRP, on a board of 732 with a FDFD, a 3 on the turn, and a 9 on the river.

Seems to me that V can have lots of worse 1P combos and hero can have lots of bluffs in both hands. Why should hero barrel with JJ in the one hand, but not barrel with TT here?

V isn't likely to have 2P+ on 234T when he opens UTG and gets 3B. Likewise, V isn't likely to have 2P+ here, when he flat calls a UTG raise from MP, and calls the flop, unless he has A3hh, 99, or something stupid like 97s. But he could have lots of worse 1P here, the way this was played.

If our read is that V is sticky, hates being bluffed, and will look us up light, we can probably get a lot of value here by betting big with our over-pairs, no matter how obvious they may seem, when our missed draws and un-paired over cards are just as obvious. It would be criminal to check, and have him check back 7x or some other 1P that would hero-call a pot sized bet.

If we value own ourselves and get snapped off by 3x, or 99, or 97, so be it. We're going to value own ourselves sometimes, when we try to maximize our win rate. This isn't even that thin a value bet.


Turn bet should be larger. Betting river all day.

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by docvail k

Respectfully, how is it that our hand is face up as an over pair here, yet in a very similar situation in another thread you said most of our range is unpaired over cards?

In both hands, hero is the pre flop aggressor, and c-bet the flop on a low board that wasn't likely to connect with hero's range. There it was JJ in a 3B pot, on a board of 234rb, with a T on the turn. Here it's TT in a SRP, on a board of 732 with a FDFD, a 3 on the turn, and a 9 on the river.

Seems to me that V can have lots of

multiway vs. HU. entirely different situations.


by NittyOldMan1 k

multiway vs. HU. entirely different situations.

You don't think hero is going to be betting all his AXhh combos on this flop? You think he's only betting over pairs? He never has bluffs in his range on the river?


I put in 2 white chips ($200), and he snapped me with xx without even thinking.

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by Bellezza k

I put in 2 white chips ($200), and he snapped me with xx without even thinking.

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#KnowYourCustomer

Nice hand.

Think you probably left some money on the table. He probably calls $250 just as quickly, and we might be able to squeeze $300 out of him here.

We know the type. They like seeing flops, hate being bluffed, and hate folding, but they have no heart for betting thin for value. Probably brought five or six buy-ins with him.

If he snaps with that hand, he's snapping with all his 9x and 7x, but he's NEVER betting those hands if we check to him.

Doubtful he'll bluff river with his missed draws often enough, when we raised UTG, c-bet flop and barreled turn.


NH; WP.

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