The "LOLCANADA" thread...again
So what's new?
I've noticed the Liberals are now ahead in all major polls and Trudeau hasn't even started to campaign yet...i'd be shocked if they lost the election now.
Just shows just how incompetent Conservatives are.
The problem lozen - which shouldn't need to be spelled out to you - is that certain people ITT have a certain tendency to endlessly blame trudeau for every single thing when it is "bad", and then refuse to give an iota of credit when it is "good". It shouldn't be so hard to cheer when something good happens.
letting him run again is a strategic mistake they could learn from the states here. I do think a minority government is possible for them if he steps down
If Trudeau isn’t responsible for inflation running out of control how can you credit him for lowering inflation?
By increasing the Canadian dollar value (higher interest rates ), reducing demands (lowering the economy or cutting down incomes ) increasing supply or increasing productivity .
Fwiw it’s not so much Trudeau reduced inflation , it’s more about worldwide inflation is coming down (higher interest rates did worked worldwide) and u can see Trudeau policies didn’t changed much but inflation is coming hard for 2 years now .
Hence inflation surely wasn’t Trudeau sole doing but at least Trudeau didn’t exacerbated inflation and in actuality in did fairly well comparing worldwide .
My point was -> u can’t blame Trudeau doing a bad job economically while disregarding the fight on inflation .
Inflation and economic growth works in tandem .
Thinking you can bring down high inflation without hurting the economy somewhat ( lowering demands) is not realistic like fighting climate changes and keep rising fossil fuel consumption .
Biden stepping down is the super rare exception (and an exception that doesn’t apply as it was related to age, not just bad polls). Around the world, unpopular PMs destined to lose (ex Harper in 2015) stay on and there is something bravely stoic about it. No last ditch Hail Mary to scramble and doom some other sod to that inevitable defeat and subsequent elimination from politics. Instead, standing up, running on your record and ideas and if after a decade the population has soured against you well you go down with your ship as every leader has to.
Maybe if I thought there was some hope of a minority win under someone else I’d feel differently, but I really don’t think there is, so I see no point in stepping down. Maybe his hand will be forced too.
Biden stepping down is the super rare exception (and an exception that doesn’t apply as it was related to age, not just bad polls). Around the world, unpopular PMs destined to lose (ex Harper in 2015) stay on and there is something bravely stoic about it. No last ditch Hail Mary to scramble and doom some other sod to that inevitable defeat and subsequent elimination from politics. Instead, standing up, running on your record and ideas and if after a decade the population has soured against
Well you can believe it’s the entire liberal party that people are tired about with but I’m just thinking it’s more about Trudeau then the liberals.
The party needs an adjustment in some issues and another leader could bring that .
Furthermore it isn’t just about : well , they probably loses anyway so let’s suffer a big knock out out of it …..
I rather see a responsible liberals not giving on a silver platter a victory to an excruciating leader like polievre just based on Trudeau ego .
I see a minority PC a win too even tho it wouldn’t be a winning election for the liberals .
Now they just give polievre a great change at a majority clearly …..
Biden stepping down is the super rare exception (and an exception that doesn’t apply as it was related to age, not just bad polls). Around the world, unpopular PMs destined to lose (ex Harper in 2015) stay on and there is something bravely stoic about it. No last ditch Hail Mary to scramble and doom some other sod to that inevitable defeat and subsequent elimination from politics. Instead, standing up, running on your record and ideas and if after a decade the population has soured against
well it was actually just because of the polls but they had his age as an excuse. why do you defend him like. the libs have a such a better shot with someone else. your ideal world is where he stands down they find a good candidate and they hold the cons to a minority goverment. in a couple years everyone will forget all the bad stuff and you can win again. I don't see why the new candidate would be eliminated from politics anyone with a brain knows they have no shot and would consider a minority government a huge win. I think most of the party would agree there's just no way to get him to stand down
I just don't believe there is this huge swath of people out there who would look at a last minute ploy to prorogue parliament, hold a leadership race, have mark carney swapped in, try to come up with a couple gimmicky new policy proposals to uh change the station and somehow have canadians be like yes let's vote them to a minority government. I think they would lose. Maybe not quite as badly, but pretty close. I think the ship is going down, and the captain should stand with his ship.
Montreal makes a decent point, maybe you could hold the conservatives to only a minority and that would be worth it. Maybe. I still doubt it, I think they are getting a majority in every possible political scenario, but I think that is at least possible.
Also BC politics is insane right now. Some really unprecedented stuff making it hard to predict, but I THINK the NDP are going to hold on by the skin of their teeth and win this thing.
I just don't believe there is this huge swath of people out there who would look at a last minute ploy to prorogue parliament, hold a leadership race, have mark carney swapped in, try to come up with a couple gimmicky new policy proposals to uh change the station and somehow have canadians be like yes let's vote them to a minority government. I think they would lose. Maybe not quite as badly, but pretty close. I think the ship is going down, and the captain should stand with his ship.
Montreal ma
Yup and than we Axe The Tax 😀
Also BC politics is insane right now. Some really unprecedented stuff making it hard to predict, but I THINK the NDP are going to hold on by the skin of their teeth and win this thing.
Lets hope for a conservative win here as well. Never realized the Kootenay's are more redneck than Alberta
What will Poilievre do AFTER axing the tax. Like let's imagine that happens. It's revenue neutral so it doesn't help the deficit one iota. Fiscally it gives back more money to most Canadians so most Canadians see an immediate drain on their bank account. Poor people feel it really bad. Maybe there are some marginal improvement to GDP in the economic effects, but remember these are now HALF of what you previously thought in the latest PBO report - HALF!!!! - and were only going to be biting in 2030 anyways.
So basically you cut the tax and it makes almost no difference.
So what then?
What is Step 2?
Your leader won't say. There's no platform. Doesn't that trouble you?
Step 1 for any smart leader is to cut taxes right away. Cut the capital gains tax to where it was before, and lower it further. Axe the carbon tax.
Step 2 is to cull 10-20% of the federal work force. 9 years of liberal lefty government = useless government head count growth
Step 3 Cut down all the Trudeau money freeby giveaways in the budget that he threw around to buy votes the last 9 years.
Then sit there and be pro business whenever the opportunity presents itself. Unproductive people want government to raise taxes and increase regulations, productive people want to be left alone.
Step 1 for any smart leader is to cut taxes right away. Cut the capital gains tax to where it was before, and lower it further. Axe the carbon tax.
Step 2 is to cull 10-20% of the federal work force. 9 years of liberal lefty government = useless government head count growth
Step 3 Cut down all the Trudeau money freeby giveaways in the budget that he threw around to buy votes the last 9 years.
Then sit there and be pro business whenever the opportunity presents itself. Unproductive people want gover
Disagree .
With millions of immigration they aren’t useless….
Immigranst do uses services ….
Now if u say we still should wait days for every Canadian , instead of hours , to get services then ok , still cut them shrug .
Step 1 for any smart leader is to cut taxes right away. Cut the capital gains tax to where it was before, and lower it further. Axe the carbon tax.
Step 2 is to cull 10-20% of the federal work force. 9 years of liberal lefty government = useless government head count growth
Step 3 Cut down all the Trudeau money freeby giveaways in the budget that he threw around to buy votes the last 9 years.
Then sit there and be pro business whenever the opportunity presents itself. Unproductive people want gover
Couldn't have answered Ukes question any better.
What will Poilievre do AFTER axing the tax. Like let's imagine that happens. It's revenue neutral so it doesn't help the deficit one iota. Fiscally it gives back more money to most Canadians so most Canadians see an immediate drain on their bank account. Poor people feel it really bad. Maybe there are some marginal improvement to GDP in the economic effects, but remember these are now HALF of what you previously thought in the latest PBO report - HALF!!!! - and were only going to be biting in 20
FWIW it’s Trudeau that is hated , not liberals .
Granted they maybe disliked and all some liberals but they aren’t hated.
Liberals lost 2 super red states lately ….
It’s far worst then u acknowledge imo about Trudeau .
FWIW we are in an era (thx social medias) where emotions surpassed facts in voting .
So Trudeau creates a more then usual drag on the party .
That plan barely changes anything. Capital gains taxes changes has tiny effects on everyone but the top couple percent - and it only just got implemented so at best you are hoping to stay at the status quo versus some nebulous future economic effects. Carbon tax benefits most people, with HALF the economic effects previously done. So with those two things we are at no tax savings for most people.
Cutting the federal work force doesn't save anyone money - it might help the deficit but it puts downward pressure on GDP and employment, cuts services people rely on, etc. And it's also much easier to say than to do - like the last liberal budget actually cut 15 billion over 5 years from department spending, there have been waves of austerity and perhaps a bigger wave of austerity helps the deficit but it doesn't help people.
I don't know what "freeby giveaways" you think you want to cut (maybe increased OAS for over 75 year olds? Increased CCB for people with kids?) but as soon as you cut stuff things like the child poverty rate that the liberals wrestled down are at risk of going back up.
Your plan is a good example of the kind of thing that isn't going to actually make the lives of Canadians noticeably better. No big tax cuts that every day canadians actually benefit from, no programs that help them, just a contradictory wave of austerity together with less revenue from the rich in the capital gains tax. I guess you can hope and pray that conservative economic policy gives some marginal economic benefit to all that, but that's about it.
Poilievre's absolute REFUSAL to get security clearance to learn the basic facts from the RCMP about the foreign interference in his own party is genuinely baffling to me.
Poilievre's absolute REFUSAL to get security clearance to learn the basic facts from the RCMP about the foreign interference in his own party is genuinely baffling to me.
If takes the clearance he can never talk about it
No the fact that Justin will not turn over documents to the RCMP on the Liberals Green Slush Fund is criminal as Trudeau knows it will show how corrupt he is
huh? He can say every single thing he is saying right now - just not from a position of deliberate willful ignorance. Like sure he can't reveal classified information, just as Trudeau or Singh don't reveal classified information, but at least they are apprised of the details and can take actions within their own party to mitigate the potential for this to occur. I genuinely don't understand this argument for refusing to be informed. When has ignorance ever been the best approach?
Take for example Poilievre who directly says Trudeau is lying on this issue. BUT POILIEVRE DOESN"T KNOW THAT. He refuses to look at the evidence. If he looks at the evidence and wants to come out and say Trudeau is lying well then at least he has a basis for it.
Disagree .
With millions of immigration they aren’t useless….
Immigranst do uses services ….
Now if u say we still should wait days for every Canadian , instead of hours , to get services then ok , still cut them shrug .
The biggest lie of all time are made by bureaucracy supporters that keep supporting government head counts as it grows every single year without ever any head count reductions.
10% per year reduction, and we can adjust later.
That plan barely changes anything. Capital gains taxes changes has tiny effects on everyone but the top couple percent - and it only just got implemented so at best you are hoping to stay at the status quo versus some nebulous future economic effects. Carbon tax benefits most people, with HALF the economic effects previously done. So with those two things we are at no tax savings for most people.
Cutting the federal work force doesn't save anyone money - it might help the deficit but it puts do
Capital gains tax reductions is targeted at letting people with capital, aka the most productive people of society, deploy said capital in Canada instead of withdrawing it and going to more tax advantageous countries. It also incentives people that deploy capital, to deploy more capital since they will be taxed less when they harvest the fruits of their labour. Essentially rewarding entrepreneurialism instead of punishing it.
My plan is to reward entrepreneurs and capital deployers to do what they do best, less taxes on them and leave them alone.
Capital gains tax reductions is targeted at letting people with capital, aka the most productive people of society, deploy said capital in Canada instead of withdrawing it and going to more tax advantageous countries. It also incentives people that deploy capital, to deploy more capital since they will be taxed less when they harvest the fruits of their labour. Essentially rewarding entrepreneurialism instead of punishing it.
Having lot of capitals do not necessarily equals productivity .
Entrepreneurships yes I agree .
Ive been saying it many times .
Rich people buying stocks isn’t productivity and doesn’t increases gdp .
Ps: people with capital always deploy capital , being taxed or not changes nothing ….
Some cash leaves the country ?
My good men, billions exit the country every years thx to tax heavens .
Sometime paper money just creates more paper money and nothing else .
A millionaire entrepreneurs can definitely be more productive then a non entrepreneur billionaire.
Poilievre's absolute REFUSAL to get security clearance to learn the basic facts from the RCMP about the foreign interference in his own party is genuinely baffling to me.
It's baffling all the names arent just released. We could have an election any day and people could vote for these scum.
My plan is to reward entrepreneurs and capital deployers to do what they do best, less taxes on them and leave them alone.
That's lovely, but more realistically your plan is to return to the status quo of....uh....a couple months ago? Like I get that you are annoyed that the Liberals equalized the taxation regardless of whether a company returns value to shareholders via capital gains or dividends for businesses above that 1.25 million exemption threshold and have rather outsized predications about the effect on the economy. Fine. But it isn't like you are advocating for slashing corporate taxes or small business taxes or things that really "reward entrepreneurs", you're just saying to return to the economy the liberals have had over 95% of their tenure. And like sure if you think the Liberal economy is fantastic and liberal taxation rates are wonderful and all you want to do is this slight tweak on the margin helping reward the rich - err entrepreneurs - that's fine, but you shouldn't act like you are doing anything significant.
