annoying preflop situation facing squeeze

annoying preflop situation facing squeeze

I found this spot very annoying.

The sample size is limited but the stats seems to indicate your typical microstakes tight passive "reg". Their squeeze sizing is OK but I'm pretty sure their range isn't. In theory they are supposed to have AQs pure, J8s or 54s sometimes, etc etc but in practice I fear I often face AK, QQ+.

Folding feels very dirty, but... ?

€0.10 NL FAST (6 max)

BTN: 102.5 BB
SB: 53 BB
BB: 185.5 BB (VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3Bet Preflop: 8, Hands: 62)
UTG: 44.5 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 114.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 15 BB, Hero ?

19 October 2024 at 09:54 AM
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I mean, we know solver is never folding here. BB's normal 3b range consists of both suited and offsuit broadways, some suited aces and kings and also lower pairs and connectors at some frequency. I think its safe to assume that regular players have more condensed range. Still, we need to also account for the pot being 3 way, so the squeeze should also be wider and contain more unpaired broadways. To be honest, BB's stats arent that tight to begin with, but if we give him only AK and QQ+, then i guess you can fold if you arent comfortable 4betting. I like calling even less.


Being in MP should make BBs range tighter.

The presence of BTNs dead money incentivizes us to 4bet vs calling and we are not deep enough to set mine.

4betting denies equity to villain's AK-AQ holdings, but don't have enough equity vs their 5b range to call it off

4bet/fold > fold > call

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Vs wider sqz you can even jam. If he only has AK+QQ+ you can even fold, vs tigh range main factor becomes how good the fish is in BTN.


by Franchise804 k

4bet/fold > fold > call

Are you really fine 4bet/folding when they can shove AK?


by Haizemberg93 k

Vs wider sqz you can even jam.

Oh yes, I know, because I rolled it

BB raises to 15 BB, Hero raises to 100 BB and is all-in

lol

I think it's spew vs my microstakes player pool though, hence this thread.

by Haizemberg93 k

If he only has AK+QQ+ you can even fold, vs tigh range main factor becomes how good the fish is in BTN.

What do you mean with your last sentence? I did not mention BTN until now, they are just 'TAG' so far, I don't have many hands with them.


by boulgakov k

Are you really fine 4bet/folding when they can shove AK?

We have 36% equity vs QQ+, AK. When you take into account rake and the possibility that they only shove AKs, I don't think it's terrible to consider folding to a shove.

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I jam pre here JJ-KK and AK


It is also worth noting that villain is in the BB and still chose to 3bet instead of closing the the action. Some of the hands BB calls with would be 3bet by SB, so vs a SB squeeze a jam seems better.

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by Franchise804 k

We have 36% equity vs QQ+, AK. When you take into account rake and the possibility that they only shove AKs, I don't think it's terrible to consider folding to a shove.

Interesting thanks


by Franchise804 k

We have 36% equity vs QQ+, AK. When you take into account rake and the possibility that they only shove AKs, I don't think it's terrible to consider folding to a shove.

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Isnt that pretty much exactly enough to call off?


If you look at some sims then you will see the EV of Jack's here. Now taking away some of bb's bluff combos can quickly make these hands -ev.

I'd fold mostly


by bigfishinsmallpond k

Isnt that pretty much exactly enough to call off?

It is, so imo it's close. But, if villain only shoves AKs we suddenly only have about 25% equity.

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I would set-mine. Low SPR, multiway vs fish, and 4b folding seems wasteful (I've almost stopped doing this entirely with JJ/TT @ micros vs unknowns). It will be easy to realise that equity when we hit with reasonable implieds. Easy to check down/call on low runouts.


Thanks for the answers

I did not play it well but got lucky

€0.10 NL FAST (6 max)

BTN: 102.5 BB
SB: 53 BB
BB: 185.5 BB
UTG: 44.5 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 114.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J J

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 15 BB, Hero raises to 100 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 85 BB

Flop: (203 BB, 2 players) 8 3 9

Turn: (203 BB, 2 players) 3

River: (203 BB, 2 players) 7

BB shows K A (One Pair, Threes)
Hero shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Threes)
Hero wins 192.8 BB

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