annoying preflop situation facing squeeze
I found this spot very annoying.
The sample size is limited but the stats seems to indicate your typical microstakes tight passive "reg". Their squeeze sizing is OK but I'm pretty sure their range isn't. In theory they are supposed to have AQs pure, J8s or 54s sometimes, etc etc but in practice I fear I often face AK, QQ+.
Folding feels very dirty, but... ?
€0.10 NL FAST (6 max)
BTN: 102.5 BB
SB: 53 BB
BB: 185.5 BB (VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3Bet Preflop: 8, Hands: 62)
UTG: 44.5 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 114.9 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♦ J♥
fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 15 BB, Hero ?
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I mean, we know solver is never folding here. BB's normal 3b range consists of both suited and offsuit broadways, some suited aces and kings and also lower pairs and connectors at some frequency. I think its safe to assume that regular players have more condensed range. Still, we need to also account for the pot being 3 way, so the squeeze should also be wider and contain more unpaired broadways. To be honest, BB's stats arent that tight to begin with, but if we give him only AK and QQ+, then i guess you can fold if you arent comfortable 4betting. I like calling even less.
Being in MP should make BBs range tighter.
The presence of BTNs dead money incentivizes us to 4bet vs calling and we are not deep enough to set mine.
4betting denies equity to villain's AK-AQ holdings, but don't have enough equity vs their 5b range to call it off
4bet/fold > fold > call
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Vs wider sqz you can even jam. If he only has AK+QQ+ you can even fold, vs tigh range main factor becomes how good the fish is in BTN.
Oh yes, I know, because I rolled it
BB raises to 15 BB, Hero raises to 100 BB and is all-in
lol
I think it's spew vs my microstakes player pool though, hence this thread.
If he only has AK+QQ+ you can even fold, vs tigh range main factor becomes how good the fish is in BTN.
What do you mean with your last sentence? I did not mention BTN until now, they are just 'TAG' so far, I don't have many hands with them.
I jam pre here JJ-KK and AK
It is also worth noting that villain is in the BB and still chose to 3bet instead of closing the the action. Some of the hands BB calls with would be 3bet by SB, so vs a SB squeeze a jam seems better.
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If you look at some sims then you will see the EV of Jack's here. Now taking away some of bb's bluff combos can quickly make these hands -ev.
I'd fold mostly
I would set-mine. Low SPR, multiway vs fish, and 4b folding seems wasteful (I've almost stopped doing this entirely with JJ/TT @ micros vs unknowns). It will be easy to realise that equity when we hit with reasonable implieds. Easy to check down/call on low runouts.
Thanks for the answers
I did not play it well but got lucky
€0.10 NL FAST (6 max)
BTN: 102.5 BB
SB: 53 BB
BB: 185.5 BB
UTG: 44.5 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 114.9 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♦ J♥
fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, BB raises to 15 BB, Hero raises to 100 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 85 BB
Flop: (203 BB, 2 players) 8♠ 3♣ 9♠
Turn: (203 BB, 2 players) 3♦
River: (203 BB, 2 players) 7♥
BB shows K♣ A♣ (One Pair, Threes)
Hero shows J♦ J♥ (Two Pair, Jacks and Threes)
Hero wins 192.8 BB