Of Course You Know What "Woke" Means
The title for this thread was stolen from the Freddie deBoer blog/article quoted and linked below. I couldn't come up with anything better, so why not. According to Wikipedia: DeBoer identifies himself as a "Marxist of an old-school variety." I don't know anything about him that extends beyond that and the two blog posts I've read. Now, let's get to it.
I could go on. And some will disagree with this or that. But whether you think this is an accurate portrayal of the kind of politics that became dominant in progressive circles in the last 10-12 years, something happened. Something changed. Of course something changed! I find it so, so bizarre that people still insist that nothing much changed in progressive discourse or politics in that time period. Go back and read stuff that was getting published in liberal outlets in 2010 and tell me it’s the same. Come on. Give me a break. Grow up.
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/202304040135...
If you're going to jump into this conversion, please read the the blog post. That way we'll be, at least somewhat, on the same page, and hopefully the conversation won't devolve too much.
In another thread, someone shared that they were planning on voting for Trump (even thought they don't like him) because the Democratic party has shifted so far to the left. Their response was simply dismissed, and someone else pointed out why that's a problem. If you don't think "woke" ideology is driving people into Trumps arms, then you're not thinking clearly. Are those Trump voters misguided? Maybe. But they're not all the morons and monsters they're made out to be. Does "woke"— ambiguously defined — get a bad rap? Sometimes, sure. So, what are your thoughts on "woke"?
“Toxic femininity” 🙄
Trolly has no need of mere womankind when he's on internet forums 18 hours a day for 14 years.
Toxic femininity doesn’t distinguish between the real and the counterfeit. If the counterfeit is more socially salient, then TF sides with the counterfeit and punishes those who side with the real.
Ah, good to have you around to remind us to focus on what's real. Speaking of which, how's your very real sky friend doing today? Chatted to him asking for guidance lately?
Toxic femininity is just bitchiness, right? Just like toxic masculinity could also be called being an *******.
I feel like you guys are throwing around terms you’re unable to accurately define…
I find the whole anti-abortion a child is not a choice arguments as woke moralizing. But since conservatives hold those positions it's not woke.
I find the whole anti-abortion a child is not a choice arguments as woke moralizing. But since conservatives hold those positions it's not woke.
The Woke hold certain racial, sexual, and gender identities as sacred, but these identities are counterfeit forms of the sacred.
The child is actually sacred.
Where the Woke get in trouble is that they rightly have an intuition that we are searching for something sacred in the margins, but toxic femininity doesn’t venture beyond the boundaries of the social, so they project the sacred onto the socially marginalized.
When, in actuality, the sacred thing which needs to be found is outside of the social in the darkness of the chaotic unknown.
Where the Woke get in trouble is that they rightly have an intuition that we are searching for something sacred in the margins, but toxic femininity doesn’t venture beyond the boundaries of the social, so they project the sacred onto the socially marginalized.
When, in actuality, the sacred thing which needs to be found is outside of the social in the darkness of the chaotic unknown.
Fascinating. What language is this?
Turns out I was right about wokeness losing cultural currency. Can the anti-wokes stop pretending they are being oppressed now like it’s the height of the gamergate saga?
It was bound to happen sooner or later. This election, in part, is a response to widespread wokeism.
I’m sure that’s partially true, but I’m more just approaching it as a cultural critic of what’s actually going on in the culture. People were acting like being woke is still the most powerful ideology there is, when in many ways it’s now the “anti-woke” aligned people that are becoming a hegemony.
I’m sure that’s partially true, but I’m more just approaching it as a cultural critic of what’s actually going on in the culture. People were acting like being woke is still the most powerful ideology there is, when in many ways it’s now the “anti-woke” aligned people that are becoming a hegemony.
I mostly agree. The anti-woke crowd can be just as bad as the woke. The problem is that neither of them are willing deviate from their original position. Wokeism is losing traction, but it's still powerful. Those people are loud. Either way, the blowback was inevitable.
