Looking for a Good Solver That's Inexpensive
PLO Mastermind is king. That's what I hear. But $199 per month is a bit much.
I trained 50,000 hands on Omaha Poker Train
These 2 **** should just hu4rollz already.
Can you prove the amount being charged isn't tied to cost of production? It's not the only direct tie but it definitely goes into the forumula. Not sure how on earth you think otherwise. Also this isn't price gouging. I can tell you're against capitalism (even though it isn't true capitalism in play). Valuing your time and expenses (which you all seem to be missing here) isn't
This isn't a court of law. I'm not interested in proving anything. I think otherwise because I was a part of cardrunners back in the day as a content creator and I remember how much was being charged by the training sites. It was a lot less than today. Have costs gone up? Hard to believe that the hardware and energy required by solvers is so great to account for 3-4x price increase over ~10-15 years.
It's not that I'm against capitalism, it's that after burying my head in books for the last few years it's become increasingly clear to me the contradictions, lies and misunderstandings that capitalism and its handmaidens propagate, and the extent to which it's stripped our lives of freedom and meaning, and the various types of cognitive bias and psychological explanations for the batshittery we see around us. Yes, poker isn't capitalism, but it can be considered a toy game version of it.
We don't have to do conspiracy talk here if you don't want. In fact, probably best, as I don't know who's monitoring my 2+2 chat, I might be on a watchlist somewhere
As for reasons to 'cry about it', when consumers use their power, they get better prices. So if you think capitalism is all about being a rational self-interested actor, and you're faced with a choice of put up or shut up, you put up. Very simple equation. If you just pay the price that they keep on asking of you, they're gonna keep on jacking the price up. This is an oversimplified explanation of why we're in a cost of living crisis. So you vote with your wallet, or you vote with your wallet and you bring others' attention to sharp practice. This isn't a very difficult or challenging line of ethics or consequences. This is observation of past examples of consumers just taking what they're given, until they don't.
TiltyFish88 is obviously Jnandez and Phil Galfonds joint account
$199 a month? lol go 2 hell...
Also FlopHero has an appropriate name. They seem to be the Hero for those of us small stakes grinders wanting to improve on a budget.
Why? Just revert back to this post, it really is true when it comes to bet sizing and sims...the difference in sizing is not as important as other variables:
To be brutally honest, humans are not as skilled as they think they are when given multiple bet sizing on a street. It is the truth. That one sizing one the turn/river is still giving you a solver approved solution. And it is solution a human can actually handle. And in many cases the EV of only using one sizing is similar enough to having multiple sizing, especially when t
Small differences in sizing may not be super important (e.g. One-Third Pot vs. Half Pot). But having only Full Pot or Check as your options is kind of bad (especially in multi-way pots!). If I'm only allowed to solve for one bet size, then Two-Thirds Pot or Half Pot is better than Full Pot (imagine if you were only allowed to bet Full Pot or Check in hold'em!).
FlopHero already has Full Pot solutions for multi-way pots. Just add Half Pot solutions! (It looks like they have smaller bet sizings when BTN raises, SB calls, and BB calls. But that's the only multi-way configuration where that works.)
They are active on 2+2 and have their own thread. Hit them up!
If I'm only allowed to solve for one bet size, then Two-Thirds Pot or Half Pot is better than Full Pot (imagine if you were only allowed to bet Full Pot or Check in hold'em!).
Now that this thread has calmed down from the obnoxious tone of one poster, let me clear up a misunderstanding you are having about the "one bet size" plan. The one bet size is per board type. Let me explain on a basic board type. Everything below in this basic example will be for a non-paired, non-straight, rainbow board, 3-bet pot, heads-up and you were the 3 bettor. That is about as damn specific as I can get it for a reasonable real world example you will face.
If the board is A83 then on that board type you will use only one bet size to c-bet with and it will be 2/3 pot. Any Ace high board will use 2/3 pot as your one and only bet sizing. This 2/3 pot c-bet sizing will also be used if the board is two broadway cards like QT4. There you go, you are only using one bet sizing of 2/3 pot on Ace high boards and two broadway boards.
Here is what slipped through the cracks and confused you about my one bet sizing comments. I didn't say there was only one sizing for all board types.
On a board that is not Ace high or does not have two broadway cards, then your one bet size is pot. So for example, if the board is 972 then you c-bet with a pot bet sizing as your only sizing.
You only use one bet sizing on a specific board type, but the one bet sizing can change depending on the board. And remember the above example I gave was for a non-paired, non-straight, rainbow board, 3-bet pot, heads-up and you were the 3 bettor.
I could go on about you taking a offensive mentality of one bet sizing and a defensive mentality where you have to defend against many sizings. But this post is already long enough. There are a lot of people willing to contribute on 2+2 when some bitch is not derailing threads.
Interesting discussion.
The problem that I have with Mastermind, is that it's great if you are going to dedicate yourself to platform and you are using it everyday. But if you want to check a few hands at the end of the week, it's too expensive.
Now that this thread has calmed down from the obnoxious tone of one poster, let me clear up a misunderstanding you are having about the "one bet size" plan. The one bet size is per board type. Let me explain on a basic board type. Everything below in this basic example will be for a non-paired, non-straight, rainbow board, 3-bet pot, heads-up and you were the 3 bettor. That
Uh… what? Any criticisms I have of one bet size (pot) are not of you. They’re of the FlopHero solver. Sorry if that was unclear.
Uh… what? Any criticisms I have of one bet size (pot) are not of you. They’re of the FlopHero solver. Sorry if that was unclear.
No, I understood. I'm just saying that whatever solution you search out look for an offensive one bet size solution. And as damian^ wrote in here, FlopHero has a 2+2 thread, which I now see you have posted in. Suggest to them something like a tab to choose between a multi-bet solution or a one bet size solver preferred sizing (the sizing the solver prefers on different boards will change). Use the one bet sizing to learn offensive play. Use the multi-bet to learn defense play.
edit: Not trying to single out FlopHero specifically, but any solver showing solutions for multiple sizing of 1/3 pot, 1/2 pot, 3/4 pot and pot is not showing something a human could implement with any type of accuracy on one street let alone take those four different sizings to a next street and keep on playing well. And in your case if I am understanding what you want for multi-way defense, you are probably better off heuristically asking your self how to defend if the amount is 25% of pot, 50% of pot or pot. Maybe asking yourself what is the minimum I need to defend in this situation, although this method isn't perfect in every situation.
There really aren’t any “cheap” PLO solvers out there because most players who seek them are serious about improving their game and the amount of value it brings far outweighs $200 and nobody can argue against but if you’re playing very small stakes and don’t have the budget then it’s going to be tough to find one. Possibly vision or run it once where I believe you can use it for $100 but not sure.
PLO trainer is mainly used as an add on for all the other benefits that come with the site and IMO if you’re serious about being great at PLO then that site is hands down going to give you the most value as it includes a full course on all the different spots you will encounter, quizzes, video hand reviews , play and explains all purely dedicated to PLO which you won’t find anywhere else.
I constantly studied his course for over a year and also used his trainer many times and it 100% is worth $200/month. It’s a must have IMO if you play mid-high stakes. I started a PLO channel where I give helpful advice for free as well as go over the correct ranges to play during live stream hand reviews, streams, lessons and shorts where you can gain the knowledge I have which took me many hours and years to learn.
Here’s a sample video where I go over what ranges to play vs aggressive players which might be helpful
Destroy Aggressive PLO Players with This Game-Changing Strategy!
I'd say with the high cost the best way to go for me would like 'bonus whoring' clear your calender, get a list of the things you want to work, and buy a month and REALLY REALLY attack the solver. Take a month off and then reasses the knawledge, rinse and repeat.
If you are playing $100 PLO and above and trying to improve its a no brainer. I also have Monker and need to stop being lazy and learn to use it 😃
I'd say with the high cost the best way to go for me would like 'bonus whoring' clear your calender, get a list of the things you want to work, and buy a month and REALLY REALLY attack the solver. Take a month off and then reasses the knawledge, rinse and repeat. If you are playing $100 PLO and above and trying to improve its a no brainer. I also have Monker and need to stop be
I love this idea! However, I'm not a big fan of strategy videos. I like to just play $5 PLO on Ignition for training when I have free time and upload hands into a solver for review. I guess I could do that on Mastermind/Trainer for month and try to get 15-20k hands in.
Hypothetically speaking, is it possible to share passwords with a single account? I'd happily pay a fair price, but can't really afford $199 right now.
While you're right in some respect, I think it's just a lot for people playing especially lower stakes potentially.
Not everyone is treating poker like a business haha
