Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Typically the cop doesn't instigate in a suicide by cop scenario, even as minor as making the joke you made.
They were in here first accusing me of the usual biased moderation and malfeasances. Not sure how I instigated that.
I didn’t think responding somewhat in kind would lead to a complete meltdown from a normally rational poster.
Sigh. Alright. I’m peacing out from this.
See you tomorrow, besties ♥
when jbouton gained access to the mod forum and made benign allusions to it, the same people defending rafki were vociferous in their desire to permaban him. when rafki gained unauthorized access through whatever means and made what seems to be legitimate threats the same people voice their support for him.
Dude, bouton was banned for his long and illustrious body of work of being an insufferable, shall we say, eccentric.
They were in here first accusing me of the usual biased moderation and malfeasances. Not sure how I instigated that.
I didn’t think responding somewhat in kind would lead to a complete meltdown from a normally rational poster.
I gather he had just been to the 10/7 site.
I'm not sure judging him like a rational poster at that time is reasonable. Not if the meltdown was out of the ordinary for him.
Jbouton publicly claimed to have hacked the site and then blackmailed the owners and their deep state handlers. Lol at trying to draw a parallel there in order to attack "the same people" (I wonder who this refers to). Everyone knows the site's deep state handlers are off limits.
I was trying to keep this focused on rafiki but can't help but bring it up. Yeah mods shouldn't take extra abuse just because they're a mod. At the same time it's ridiculous to expect a mod of another sub to take extra abuse because the mods here are afraid of posters claiming the mods are expressing favoritism by enforcing the rules.
They were in here first accusing me of the usual biased moderation and malfeasances. Not sure how I instigated that.
I didn’t think responding somewhat in kind would lead to a complete meltdown from a normally rational poster.
I thought his outburst began after this (not challenging you fwiw):
Jbouton publicly claimed to have hacked the site and then blackmailed the owners and their deep state handlers. Lol at trying to draw a parallel there in order to attack "the same people" (I wonder who this refers to). Everyone knows the site's deep state handlers are off limits.
I was trying to keep this focused on rafiki but can't help but bring it up. Yeah mods shouldn't take extra abuse just because they're a mod. At the same time it's ridiculous to expect a mod of another sub to take extra
What does that last sentence even mean, BGP?
Dude.
I’m just not gonna do this with you tonight. Ugh.
Jbouton publicly claimed to have hacked the site and then blackmailed the owners and their deep state handlers. Lol at trying to draw a parallel there in order to attack "the same people" (I wonder who this refers to). Everyone knows the site's deep state handlers are off limits.
I was trying to keep this focused on rafiki but can't help but bring it up. Yeah mods shouldn't take extra abuse just because they're a mod. At the same time it's ridiculous to expect a mod of another sub to take extra
"the same people" who called for jbouton permaban are "the same people" that support rafki. its not deep state handlers or the sites owners or any of that. I am consistently just absolutely gobsmacked at your ability to make bad faith accusations and the way you misread, deliberately misinterpret, or straight up lie about other people's posts. not anyone with a shred of integrity would think I was refering to the site's "deep state handlers" whoever or whatever the **** that is.
Mods here continually refuse to enforce rules if I'm the one requesting it because they fear looking like they are showing favoritism. It's rather ironic.
Mods here continually refuse to enforce rules if I'm the one requesting it because they fear looking like they are showing favoritism. It's rather ironic.
That’s a wild interpretation of your conversation with King Spew and myself, but I’m starting to get used to wild interpretations of otherwise straightforward interactions.
Lighten up Francis, the deep state part was clearly a joke.
That’s a wild interpretation of your conversation with King Spew and myself, but I’m starting to get used to wild interpretations of otherwise straightforward interactions.
This has been occurring since long before that conversation. I also do not think it entirely explains the situation, but it is an aspect of it.
No, it isn’t. We will mod this forum as we see fit. Victor is in no way the recipient of favoritism, he was banned for a month just earlier this year, and we will not have bans in this forum dictated to us from outside moderators. That you would bring this up in such an accusatory manner and ascribe intention to it that isn’t there is super gross, and you should go have a snack and a good night, friend, because it’s super inappropriate.
Victor being banned for a month compared to rafiki's perma is a great comparison which shows the favoritism.
Trying to say I'm dictating this to you as a moderator... not at all true. I have always been upfront about posting here as a poster, not a mod. I have dictated nothing. I have approached all situations in this sub as a poster and never as a mod.
Calling me gross for voicing my opinion on the moderating... in the mod thread... Lighten up. It's not serious.
Victor has never threatened me or accused me of not being able to tell Jews apart, so yeah.
I mean, I have never threatened anyone publicly or privately, let alone a mod. I have never sent abusive pms. so I dont think the comparison is at all reasonable.
and for the record, myself and crossnerd are extremely far apart ideologically in general and on I/P. I do still have respect for her however.
Exactly, he's accused me of far worse though.
You even agreed he broke the rules then did nothing to punish him.
When less serious insults are voiced at you it's a permaban, when it happens to me (and from Victor) you look the other way.
When I bring it up look at how you throw insults.
I’m unequivocally not going to litigate private discussions in the public mod thread. You didn’t like the answer you received from us. That’s fine. What you’re doing here is not.
As I said, this does not have to do with that conversation. You brought it up, not me.
What is not fine about my discussing moderating here?
I think we should all put a pin in this convo and return to it after a short period of reflection.
Go have a snack and a good night, friend.
