2024 ELECTION THREAD

I don't know who I would be partisan for. Some abstract notion of "the left"? Who do you think I'm partisan towards? Seems like you're just being thin-skinned both personally and about anyone who dares to criticize the Democratic Party and its leaders - at least without having said some sort of pledge of allegiance first.

And I'm bringing down this country.

Like Victor says, scratch a liberal.

It is hard to guess if trumps main goal is to reduce the number of illegal immigrants in the country or the total number of immigrants. I would say one is a great goal and the other is a bad goal. Before you can heal the wound sometimes you have to stop the bleeding.

Who in the hell associates the US being a great country and having a strong central government? I would think most would imagine getting the US to be (or stay) great it would be with preferably a less powerful central gov't.

I think one of the best reasons to vote for trump is because he wants to reduce the amount of power he and the fed. gov't has going forward. He has supported school choice which is likely to reduce the power of gov't on EDU, he is against a gov't healthcare for all, he wants to reduce taxes, he is for reducing business regulation, he wants to take the fed gov't out of the abortion debate and he fought Dems on forcing vaccines, masks and business regulations and support the idea that we should treat grownups like grownups and allow them to make their own decisions.

Both, from the first term he already served we know that already. He acted with force against illegals but he also created many problems to people who wanted to immigrate legally.

This is such bullshit. Republicans want to reduce the amount of power the government has to implement policies they disagree with. When it comes to implementing policies they like, like turning the whole country into a ****ing theocracy and forcing everyone to abide by their dumb**** fundamentalist Christian delusions, you don't see them trying to reduce the amount of power the government has at all.

This is not true. They like policies in education but they want to reduce the amount of power of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT over education anyway. Republicans are honestly and trasparently in favor of weaker federal, centralized power.

Ofc they aren't anarchist so for whatever they think state power is necessary, they want to use it for their goals, as the totality of non-anarchist people want to.

But they want less overall power in the hand of government of all levels in aggregate, and more of the smaller pie in local hands, and that's what they have been operating towards for decades, transparently.

And it's obviously something which is very much aligned with my preferences as well (and those of anyone who considers himself rightwing in general, or most of them anyway), even if of course my preference would be to reduce the aggregate power of government much more than what the median republican wants to do.

They had a triifecta 2017-18. What did they implement to push "theocracy" federally roflmao? why do you lie?

People like Orban have very few fans in community of world leaders. If you are widely disliked, it is human nature to have a charitable view of those who do not despise you. At that level, I guess you could argue that people like Orban and Bolsonaro like Trump.

But that's as far as I would go. As a general rule, the better you know Trump, the less you like and respect him.

I gave 8 policy examples in those few sentences you quoted where trump supported reducing the power of the federal gov't.

Do you have any policy examples that trump supports that would increase the power of the fed. gov't? If you could, please keep it to things trump actually said he supports and not something that the NYT or harris suggested he may or may not support if he wins.

Tump did beat Obama in Executive Orders 55 to 35 in half the time.

Of course most of the Dumbocrats signed onto these things, but the Republicans were the driving force and some Democrats the only opposition to the expansions of the police state. Republicans and Libertarians all love to talk about the freedom from government except when it comes to actual cops with actual guns butting into your lives.

I guess Victor succeeded. After using this stupid tagline a million times, he finally induced someone else to follow suit

It's proof that repetition really does pay dividends if you are truly indefatigable.

Well, if people are going to go Joseph McCarthy on you because you say "dumbocrat", then there's some truth to what Victor is saying.

Some were to remove/reduce existing regulations though, can't count them like that.

Example (one of the many Biden rescinded on day one)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13771

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Executive Order 13771 - Wikipedia

Executive Order 13771 required any executive department or agency planning to publicly announce a new regulation to propose at least two regulations to be repealed.

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One of the most libertarian, fed-power reducing, EO in american history right? i remember that very well because that was when i flipped on Trump (i was previously under the spell of "orange man bad")

I'd bet on Kamala in a fight between her and Trump. He'd be crying like a baby within a minute.

Whatever, man. I didn't expect you would be the person to run with the tagline, but given enough time, I guess someone was bound to do it.

Luciom,

I meant that in response to bahbah's suggest that Trump was trying to reduce the amount of power that he had. The *he* part of this quote

"he wants to reduce the amount of power he and the fed. gov't has"

He also appointed a million federal judges who have a broad view of presidential power and who are sympathetic to things like unitary executive theory.

I like Victor. That doesn't mean I sign onto everything he says, but some things for sure.

I don't know specific policy proposals. Anything to do with abortion is obviously grounded in religion, and that has been a cornerstone of the whole Republican platform pretty much since Roe. Anything to do with gay rights and gay marriage, although I guess that has died down now. Anything to do with trans issues, which I guess is the new gay marriage. Basically a bunch of bullshit that is mostly a non-issue in every other civilised country but remains a massive issue in the US because it's full of religious conservative idiots. So, stop trying to sell the notion that this perpetual obsession over legislating people's sexuality and reproductive choices is somehow reducing the power of the government.

I never suggested that you sign onto everything Victor says. I never suggested that you should like or dislike Victor. I simply was expressing dismay at you signing onto Victor's absurd contention that Democrats are closet fascists.

It wasn't exactly a hard sell.

Right. I'm not surprised that someone like mong (who has probably never seen a map of anything other than the county he was born in, let alone physically been outside its borders) thinks that Trump is effective/respected on the world stage by virtue of being a tall tub of lard, since he literally does not have a clue what the "world stage" is or how America generally or Trump specifically is viewed there.

I was surprised that Luciom backed him up, but seems that the only example Luciom was able to muster was in fact Bolsonaro.

I can if you aren't.

wonder how many of those that Biden overturned