2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
not only Haitians. all temporary unfiltered immigrants.
i care about the general idea that the most important country culturally in the west stops taking in people without a quality filter.
both because that's better for the USA, and also because when the USA sneezes we get the cold so literally everything you do has direct repercussions on what the EU does 5-10-20 years from now.
anything that signals the west isn't open to unfiltered immigration anymore is a massive improvement for European count
TPS gives us a way to track them and makes them ineligible for certain types of immigration. It’s actually a good program as an alternative to asylum which grants full immigration status, for those interested in helping them our temporarily but not full immigration.
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If we throw out the far right and far left (which both are extremely ignorant and paranoid) I think you will find the opposite of what you suggest. A very large % of people on the left truly believe the strongest country in the history of the world almost got overthrown by 1k unarmed citizens who broke into a building. They also believe trump will start WW3 despite no new wars starting during his first 4 years and 2 news wars starting under a dem white house the last 4 years. A lot on the left a
People conveniently forget or are unaware of the actual bombings of
and the , and by lefties in the 1960s, 70s and 80s. But back then the protestors were "protecting democracy," right?
The riot/insurrection isn’t where the election would have been stolen. Do you deny that Donald Trump demanded that Mike Pence certify a false slate of electors or send it back to the states for them to certify a false slate of electors? When he said “Mike Pence should do the right thing”, what was he asking Mike Pence to do?
And as the insurrectionists were breaking into the capitol building, why did Trump wait 3 hours before he asked his people to go home, and why did they go h
This has already been explained to you as not being de facto or de jure illegal, and depends upon one's interpretation of the electoral rules laid out in the Constitution. It is rather interesting that closure on this legal gray area was attempted in the revision to the ECA in 2022, two years after this supposed high crime and misdemeanor occurred.
Do you think things that people favor automatically happen in a democracy or are you only pretending to be that ignorant to try to make a point?
What the people favor is irrelevant if it conflicts with the desires of the ownership class. Anyone who thinks there is even a remote chance of Trump deporting millions of illegals needs to touch grass. It would devastate the housing market and, subsequently, the economy.
Nuanced analysis has never really been necessary in order to understand Trump. On the campaign trail in 2015-2106, Trump showed you exactly what sort of president he would be. (I didn't even need to see Trump on the campaign trail, as I have been watching his clown show for the last thirty years. But I assume some people's main exposure to him before he became a candidate for president was as a reality TV personality. Trump behaved as president almost exactly as I expected him to behave, wit
I was thinking about a tweet from Jonah Goldberg I read the other day about how a movie about Trump bombed because no one actually cares about Trump or is interested in discussing him. On a natural level that is difficult for ne since I actually care about those I discuss. Im not suggesting it’s a big secret that the majority of voters only want to hear extremely positive or negative things about Trump but rather that the utility of making genuinely thoughtful posts about him has dropped from low to zero. In addition , its the last week of grueling campaign to decide the future of our country, so of course basically everyone has made up their mind on the internet. My knowledge about Trump and people like him is irrelevant.
And of course Im way to the left of the posters here on most issues so discussion will be very challenging for me, especially since the things Trump did that I think are the worst things he did no one cares about and less than a handful even understand.
What the people favor is irrelevant if it conflicts with the desires of the ownership class. Anyone who thinks there is even a remote chance of Trump deporting millions of illegals needs to touch grass. It would devastate the housing market and, subsequently, the economy.
I assume you meant to post this in reply to someone else since it has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.
I think you probably did have a good generally good idea about how Trump would govern, but as expressed in your post actually you underestimated how bad it would be. I did too. Theres no use talking about it here.
Open a dictionary, you smug midwit. There was no law or practice preventing Pence from sending the certification back to the state legislatures. Technically, there still isn't.
What do you think "de facto" and "de jure" mean, my non-smug non-dimwitted chum? Once you can answer this, you will realise how ridiculous "not de facto or de jure illegal" sounds. Maybe you meant "not de facto or de jure prohibited". But that's not what you said.
Kamala is down to about a 1.0-1.5% avg lead in National polling over Trump which woun't even be enough to match Hillary's performance and would very likely be enough for Trump to win the electorate.
If the election were today, you'd need a rather large polling error in favor of Kamala for her to pull this off.
What the people favor is irrelevant if it conflicts with the desires of the ownership class. Anyone who thinks there is even a remote chance of Trump deporting millions of illegals needs to touch grass. It would devastate the housing market and, subsequently, the economy.
Elon has already explained to his followers that there will be bad economic consequences in order to facillitate Trumps agenda.
Kamala is down to about a 1.0-1.5% avg lead in National polling over Trump which woun't even be enough to match Hillary's performance and would very likely be enough for Trump to win the electorate.
If the election were today, you'd need a rather large polling error in favor of Kamala for her to pull this off.
I'm not sure it would be called an error at this point. Sabotage seems more likely.
fwiw, the demographics of 2024 america are not the same as 2016 america, and she can win the election with a 1.5-2 point lead. But she will win by more than that.
This has already been explained to you as not being de facto or de jure illegal, and depends upon one's interpretation of the electoral rules laid out in the Constitution. It is rather interesting that closure on this legal gray area was attempted in the revision to the ECA in 2022, two years after this supposed high crime and misdemeanor occurred.
It became an election fraud scheme when they created false slates of electors and presented them as equivalent to the legal ones. The part in question in the ECA that they fixed the language of was about whether the VP had anything other than a ceremonial role in certifying the election itself. But attempting to present the false slates as legitimate slates was in itself de jure illegal.
also, Just because it was questionable whether the ECA* applied or not, does not mean that it statutory construction purpose of the ECA is* clear. The amending of the ECA* was just to avoid any even possible confusion
BetOnline has Trump -190 today and Harris +165. Trump can’t lose
fwiw, the demographics of 2024 america are not the same as 2016 america, and she can win the election with a 1.5-2 point lead. But she will win by more than that.
can you elaborate here? i'm utterly confused why people are still relying on national polling data to judge the closeness of this election when we have '16 & '20 data to go off. feels like a "fool me once..." scenario
